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"zero" - My rationale for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 2:53 am
by Stephen Hughes
Here is another video by N.J. Erickson:
Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Posted: November 5th, 2016, 5:30 am
by Paul-Nitz
I see what you are saying, Stephen. I haven't looked at usage at all, but theoretically, your view of μηδεν and ouδεν mesh with my understanding of the μη/ου choice.
Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Posted: November 5th, 2016, 8:18 am
by Jason Hare
Here I would just think that the choice of μη- has to do with the use of non-indicative forms (the subjunctive in a ἵνα clause and the negation of the imperative). Looking at the examples that you pulled, that's what I see.
[indicative] οὐδὲν γάρ ἐστιν κεκαλυμμένον ὃ οὐκ ἀποκαλυφθήσεται· (Matthew 10:26)
[indicative] καὶ ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ νυκτὶ ἐπίασαν οὐδέν. (John 21:3)
[negated imperative] Ὅρα, μηδενὶ μηδὲν εἴπῃς· (Mark 1:44)
[negated infinitive] Εὔχομαι δὲ πρὸς τὸν θεόν, μὴ ποιῆσαι ὑμᾶς κακὸν μηδέν, (2 Corinthians 13:7)
[negated participle in a purpose clause] ἵνα ὁ ἐξ ἐναντίας ἐντραπῇ, μηδὲν ἔχων [not ἔχω] περὶ ἡμῶν λέγειν φαῦλον. (Titus 2:8)
I don't think you've demonstrated your case. This only reflects the normal use of μή over against οὐ.
Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Posted: November 7th, 2016, 10:25 pm
by Stephen Hughes
Jason Hare wrote:[negated participle in a purpose clause] ἵνα ὁ ἐξ ἐναντίας ἐντραπῇ, μηδὲν ἔχων [not ἔχω] περὶ ἡμῶν λέγειν φαῦλον. (Titus 2:8)
Sorry about that. Perhaps it was a cut and paste error, or a stray finger on the screen.
Jason Hare wrote:I don't think you've demonstrated your case. This only reflects the normal use of μή over against οὐ.
Your observation along the lines of "Socks are found with shoes", and my rationale derived from observations that "Socks are found on feet", are related, but evaluate things in a different way.