Pronunciation of Katharevousa?
Posted: May 11th, 2017, 2:20 pm
Does anyone know where I can find information on how Katharevousa is pronounced? Tables, books, Youtube, recordings ...
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I wanted to know how to pronounce the language, not the name. I'm curious about how similar / different it is to Buthian pronunciation.MAubrey wrote: ↑May 11th, 2017, 2:55 pm If Greek orthography helps, it's: καθαρεύουσα.
Wikitionary lists the IPA as: [kaθaˈɾɛvusa], which implies a syllable structure like: ka-tha-RE-vu-sa.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%C ... F%83%CE%B1
So the pronunciation does not distinguish ἡμεῖς / ὑμεῖς, rough / smooth breathing, etc?
Just like Modern Greek. Think of it like pronouncing Shakespeare: you'd do it either with your own accent or with a prestige accent (e.g. stage RP). The Buthian approach would be to reconstruct the "original pronunciation" (OP) and use that. This has actually been done a few times; it makes some puns easier to appreciate.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑May 11th, 2017, 4:52 pm I wanted to know how to pronounce the language, not the name. I'm curious about how similar / different it is to Buthian pronunciation.
(Thank you, David Crystal!)Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑May 11th, 2017, 7:05 pmJust like Modern Greek. Think of it like pronouncing Shakespeare: you'd do it either with your own accent or with a prestige accent (e.g. stage RP). The Buthian approach would be to reconstruct the "original pronunciation" (OP) and use that. This has actually been done a few times; it makes some puns easier to appreciate.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑May 11th, 2017, 4:52 pm I wanted to know how to pronounce the language, not the name. I'm curious about how similar / different it is to Buthian pronunciation.
Only three Modern Greek dialects retain the upsilon as in the Restored Koine pronunciation (ie have not merged it to /i/) - Tsakonian, the Maniot dialect, and the Old Athenian enclave dialects. Younger speakers receive education in the standard 5 vowel pronunciation (rather than their dialectical 6 vowel system). Buth mentions from time time that the restored pronunciation of upsilon sounds dialectical. These are the dialects the restored pronunciation sounds like. The ου / υ variant that we see in the manuscripts of the Apocalyse is also in the variation between dialects.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑May 11th, 2017, 4:54 pmSo the pronunciation does not distinguish ἡμεῖς / ὑμεῖς, rough / smooth breathing, etc?
Here's a paper on the vowel systems in various modern Greek dialects that looks particularly good:A highly archaic feature shared by Tsakonian, the Maniot dialect, and the Old Athenian enclave dialects, is the divergent treatment of historical /y/ (<υ>). While this sound merged to /i/ everywhere else, these dialects have /u/ instead (e.g. [ˈksulo] vs. standard [ˈksilo] 'wood').