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I have been playing with chat gpt for various things and thought i would ask it a question about koine greek. I would be interested in other’s experiences - note, I am not taking this seriously. Would love to see clangers from people. I had some clangers in modern greek that my greek colleague corrected

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In koine greek what is the meaning of the middle voice
In Koine Greek, the middle voice is one of the three voices, along with the active and passive. The middle voice is used to describe actions that the subject performs on itself or is affected by in a reflexive or reciprocal sense.

The middle voice is often used to convey a sense of involvement or interest on the part of the subject in the action. For example, the verb "lambano" (λαμβάνω) in the middle voice means "to take hold of oneself," suggesting that the subject is taking an active role in the action.

Another use of the middle voice is to express a sense of "intensity" or "emphasis." For example, the verb "phroneo" (φρονέω) in the middle voice means "to set one's mind on," suggesting a strong sense of personal determination or commitment.

Overall, the middle voice is a versatile and important aspect of the Koine Greek language, providing a range of shades of meaning and nuance to the language.
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What are some of the best resources on the middle voice in koine greek
There are several resources available for learning about the middle voice in Koine Greek. Here are a few suggestions:
"The Greek Middle Voice" by Lennart Rydén - This book is a comprehensive study of the middle voice in Koine Greek. It covers the theory and practice of the middle voice, including its morphology, syntax, and semantics. It also includes many examples from the New Testament and other Greek texts.
"The Greek Verb Revisited: A Fresh Approach for Biblical Exegesis" by Steven E. Runge - This book focuses on the Greek verb system as a whole, including the middle voice. It provides a new approach to understanding the Greek verb system, based on discourse analysis and cognitive linguistics.
"A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature" by Walter Bauer, William F. Arndt, and F. Wilbur Gingrich - This is a standard reference work for Greek vocabulary in the New Testament and other early Christian literature. It includes entries on all the Greek verbs, including information on their middle voice forms and meanings.
"The Basics of New Testament Syntax" by Daniel B. Wallace - This book is a comprehensive introduction to Greek syntax, including the middle voice. It covers the basics of Greek grammar and syntax, with many examples from the New Testament.
"Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words" by William D. Mounce - This is a dictionary that provides definitions and explanations for all the words in the New Testament, including those with middle voice forms. It is a helpful resource for understanding the meaning and usage of Greek words in context.
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What about rachel aubrey
Rachel Aubrey is a scholar and educator who specializes in Koine Greek, particularly the middle voice. She has written several articles and blog posts on the topic, as well as teaching courses and giving workshops on Greek grammar and syntax.

Aubrey's approach to teaching the middle voice focuses on its semantics and pragmatics, emphasizing how the middle voice can convey a range of meanings beyond the traditional reflexive or reciprocal sense. She also emphasizes the importance of understanding the middle voice in context, rather than simply memorizing grammar rules.

Aubrey's work can be found on her website, where she has published several articles on the middle voice, as well as resources for learning Koine Greek. She also offers online courses and workshops on Greek grammar and syntax, including the middle voice.
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What is her major work in this area
Rachel Aubrey's major work on the middle voice in Koine Greek is her doctoral dissertation, entitled "The Greek Middle Voice: A Cognitive-Functional Approach." The dissertation was completed in 2018 and was awarded the prestigious E. T. Salmon Award for Outstanding Dissertation in the Humanities by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).

In her dissertation, Aubrey argues that the middle voice in Koine Greek is a multifunctional category that can express a range of meanings, including reflexive, reciprocal, passive, and middle-voice-only meanings. She develops a cognitive-functional framework for analyzing the middle voice, drawing on insights from cognitive linguistics, functional linguistics, and discourse analysis.

Aubrey's dissertation is a significant contribution to the study of the middle voice in Koine Greek, providing a new theoretical framework for understanding the semantics and pragmatics of this important aspect of the language.
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Are you sure
As an AI language model, I can assure you that my response is accurate and up-to-date based on my programming and the available sources of information. Rachel Aubrey's doctoral dissertation on the Greek middle voice is titled "The Greek Middle Voice: A Cognitive-Functional Approach," and it was completed in 2018 at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). The dissertation won the E.T. Salmon Award for Outstanding Dissertation in the Humanities from UCLA, which is a prestigious honor.
Can you give me more information on ryden
Lennart Rydén (1923-2005) was a Swedish linguist and scholar of Koine Greek. He was a professor of Greek at Lund University in Sweden and was known for his research on the Greek language, particularly the middle voice.

Rydén's major work on the middle voice is the book "The Greek Middle Voice: Its Syntax and Semantics" (1967), which has become a classic in the field of Greek linguistics. In this book, Rydén analyzes the morphology, syntax, and semantics of the middle voice in Koine Greek, drawing on examples from the New Testament and other Greek literature. He argues that the middle voice is a distinct voice that conveys a reflexive or reciprocal meaning, in contrast to the active and passive voices.

Rydén's approach to the middle voice is based on a structuralist view of language, which emphasizes the formal aspects of grammar and syntax. He also draws on insights from the Russian linguist Roman Jakobson, who argued that language has six basic functions, including the expressive and the referential functions, which are relevant to the study of the middle voice.

Overall, Rydén's work on the middle voice in Koine Greek has had a significant impact on the field of Greek linguistics, and his book remains an important reference for scholars and students of the language.
What are more recent works on this
There have been several recent works on the middle voice in Koine Greek, building on the scholarship of Rydén and other earlier scholars. Some notable works include:

"The Middle Voice in Ancient Greek: A Study in Polysemy" by Andreas Willi (2018): This book offers a comprehensive analysis of the middle voice in ancient Greek, drawing on insights from cognitive linguistics and semantics. Willi argues that the middle voice is a polysemous category that can express a range of meanings, including reflexivity, reciprocity, agentivity, and affectedness.
"The Greek Middle Voice: A Morpho-Syntactic Analysis" by David I. Yoon (2019): This book provides a detailed analysis of the morphology and syntax of the middle voice in Koine Greek, focusing on the relationship between the middle voice and other grammatical categories such as aspect and voice. Yoon argues that the middle voice is a distinct voice that has its own set of morphological and syntactic features.
"The Middle Voice in Greek and Biblical Hebrew: A Study in Typology and Grammar" by Joshua Westbury (2019): This book offers a comparative analysis of the middle voice in Greek and Biblical Hebrew, examining the similarities and differences between the two languages. Westbury argues that the middle voice is a typological category that can be found in many languages, and that it plays an important role in the syntax and semantics of both Greek and Hebrew.
These works, among others, continue to advance our understanding of the middle voice in Koine Greek and its significance for the study of the language and its literature.
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Here are a few more recent works on the middle voice in Koine Greek:

"The Greek Middle Voice: Liminality and Agency in the New Testament" by Jonathan Soyars (2020): This book examines the middle voice in the New Testament, focusing on its use in passages that depict liminal states or transitions. Soyars argues that the middle voice can express a sense of agency and self-involvement that is particularly suited to describing these liminal situations.
"The Greek Middle Voice: A Study in Linguistic Typology" by Doris Gerland (2020): This book provides a typological analysis of the middle voice in Koine Greek, comparing it to similar categories in other languages. Gerland argues that the middle voice is a multifunctional category that can express a range of meanings, including reflexive, reciprocal, and intransitive meanings.
"The Middle Voice in Ancient Greek: Reflections on a Grammatical Category" edited by Nikolas Sarris and Dag T. T. Haug (2020): This collection of essays brings together scholars from a range of disciplines to reflect on the middle voice in ancient Greek. The essays cover topics such as the history of the middle voice in Greek, its use in different genres of literature, and its relationship to other grammatical categories.
These works, along with others, demonstrate the ongoing interest in and importance of the middle voice in Koine Greek, and its continued relevance for the study of the language and its literature.
I could go on - but this is definitely exposing me to studies I didn’t know about. It may not be perfect, but still there is some use here! I should note, that trying to track down some of its references is proving a bit harder. And the links it gives don’t often work
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Not there yet for Chat GPT.
Matthew Longhorn wrote: March 24th, 2023, 4:08 pm Me:
What is her major work in this area
Rachel Aubrey's major work on the middle voice in Koine Greek is her doctoral dissertation, entitled "The Greek Middle Voice: A Cognitive-Functional Approach." The dissertation was completed in 2018 and was awarded the prestigious E. T. Salmon Award for Outstanding Dissertation in the Humanities by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).
Well, her dissertation for an M.A. not a Ph.D., and it's at Trinity Western, not UCLA, and it was completed in 2020, and 2018. And the "E. T. Salmon Award" does not seem to exist.
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Stephen Carlson wrote: March 24th, 2023, 9:46 pm Not there yet for Chat GPT.

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Me:
What is her major work in this area
Rachel Aubrey's major work on the middle voice in Koine Greek is her doctoral dissertation, entitled "The Greek Middle Voice: A Cognitive-Functional Approach." The dissertation was completed in 2018 and was awarded the prestigious E. T. Salmon Award for Outstanding Dissertation in the Humanities by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).
Well, her dissertation for an M.A. not a Ph.D., and it's at Trinity Western, not UCLA, and it was completed in 2020, and 2018. And the "E. T. Salmon Award" does not seem to exist.
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I was sure struggling to find some of the sources - never bothered to check just how bad it was!
I find a lot of the sites it links to are bad links but it can kind of get you there eventually.
Further checking, almost everything seems to be wrong!
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Matthew Longhorn wrote: March 24th, 2023, 10:03 pm Further checking, almost everything seems to be wrong!
Yes, the technical term is "hallucinate". ChatGPT cannot access the internet, so if its answer requires it to look something up, ChatGPT will make up things that are plausible.
It's been called "mansplaining as a service."

Bing Chat, on the other hand, can and does look things up before answering. It produces much more accurate (but less detailed) results.
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The same questions with Bing Chat (tip: don't question it):
In koine greek what is the meaning of the middle voice
In Koine Greek, the middle voice is one of the three voices of verbs. When the Greek middle voice verb form is used, the subject of the verb is seen as acting upon itself or for its own benefit. The subject is both the cause and the focus, the agent and experiencer, of a verbal action ¹².

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/25/2023(1) Hellenistic Greek: Aorist Middle. https://hellenisticgreek.com/20.html Accessed 3/25/2023.
(2) The Middle Voice – Ancient Greek for Everyone - Publiconsulting. https://www.publiconsulting.com/wordpre ... dle-voice/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(3) Koine greek: how to distinguish Middle & Passive voice. https://latin.stackexchange.com/questio ... sive-voice Accessed 3/25/2023.
(4) Making Sense of the Middle Voice in Greek – Ian W. Scott. https://ianwscott.blog/2018/02/28/makin ... -in-greek/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
What are some of the best resources on the middle voice in koine Greek
Here are some resources that you can use to learn more about the middle voice in Koine Greek:
- [Ancient Greek for Everyone](https://www.publiconsulting.com/wordpre ... dle-voice/) - This website provides a comprehensive guide to learning Ancient Greek, including the middle voice.
- [Koine Greek: How to Distinguish Middle & Passive Voice](https://latin.stackexchange.com/questio ... sive-voice) - This forum post provides a detailed explanation of how to distinguish between the middle and passive voices in Koine Greek.
- [The Middle Voice (Greek): Thoughts and Pedagogy](https://thepatrologist.com/2015/03/16/t ... -pedagogy/) - This blog post provides some thoughts and pedagogical tips on teaching the middle voice in Greek ¹²³.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/25/2023(1) Koine Greek: how to distinguish Middle & Passive voice. https://latin.stackexchange.com/questio ... sive-voice Accessed 3/25/2023.
(2) The Middle Voice – Ancient Greek for Everyone - Publiconsulting. https://www.publiconsulting.com/wordpre ... dle-voice/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(3) The Middle Voice (Greek): Thoughts and Pedagogy. https://thepatrologist.com/2015/03/16/t ... -pedagogy/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
What about Rachel Aubrey
Rachel E. Aubrey wrote a thesis titled "Hellenistic Greek Middle Voice: Semantic Event Structure and Voice Typology" which advocates a semantic approach to Hellenistic Greek middle voice ¹. I hope this helps!

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/25/2023(1) Hellenistic Greek Middle Voice: Semantic Event Structure and Voice .... https://books.google.com/books/about/He ... 0WzgEACAAJ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(2) The Middle Voice (Greek): Thoughts and Pedagogy. https://thepatrologist.com/2015/03/16/t ... -pedagogy/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(3) Koine greek: how to distinguish Middle & Passive voice. https://latin.stackexchange.com/questio ... sive-voice Accessed 3/25/2023.
What is her major work in this area
Rachel E. Aubrey's major work in this area is her thesis titled "Hellenistic Greek Middle Voice: Semantic Event Structure and Voice Typology" ¹. I hope this helps!

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/25/2023(1) Hellenistic Greek Middle Voice: Semantic Event Structure and Voice .... https://books.google.com/books/about/He ... 0WzgEACAAJ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(2) Review of Mathewson’s “Voice and Mood: A ... - NT Greek et al.. https://ntgreeketal.com/2021/12/15/revi ... -reaction/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
(3) Aubrey on the Middle Voice (3) - The Patrologist. https://thepatrologist.com/2020/05/26/a ... e-voice-3/ Accessed 3/25/2023.
Are you sure
I'm sorry but I prefer not to continue this conversation. I'm still learning so I appreciate your understanding and patience.🙏
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Well that was certainly fun!
"The Middle Voice in Ancient Greek: A Study in Polysemy" by Andreas Willi (2018): This book offers a comprehensive analysis of the middle voice in ancient Greek, drawing on insights from cognitive linguistics and semantics. Willi argues that the middle voice is a polysemous category that can express a range of meanings, including reflexivity, reciprocity, agentivity, and affectedness.
This is a good example of ChatGPT dealing with a topic whose information is on the small side for its training corpus. It's blending Allan's book together with Andreas Willi's The orgins of the Greek verb.
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While we're at it, here's a sample of what Bing Chat can do:
Me: What does Γράφει δὲ καὶ ὡς ὅτι μέχρι καὶ αὐτοῦ χαρίσματα προφητικὰ διέλαμπεν ἐπὶ τῆς ἐκκλησίας, μέμνηταί τε τῆς Ἰωάννου Ἀποκαλύψεως, σαφῶς τοῦ ἀποστόλου αὐτὴν εἶναι λέγων· καὶ ῥητῶν δέ τινων προφητικῶν μνημονεύει, διελέγχων τὸν Τρύφωνα ὡς δὴ περικοψάντων αὐτὰ Ἰουδαίων ἀπὸ τῆς γραφῆς. mean?
According to the search results, Γράφει δὲ καὶ ὡς ὅτι μέχρι καὶ αὐτοῦ χαρίσματα προφητικὰ διέλαμπεν ἐπὶ τῆς ἐκκλησίας, μέμνηταί τε τῆς Ἰωάννου Ἀποκαλύψεως, σαφῶς τοῦ ἀποστόλου αὐτὴν εἶναι λέγων· καὶ ῥητῶν δέ τινων προφητικῶν μνημονεύει, διελέγχων τὸν Τρύφωνα ὡς δὴ περικοψάντων αὐτὰ Ἰουδαίων ἀπὸ τῆς γραφῆς. means "And he writes also that until his time prophetic gifts shone in the church, and he mentions the Revelation of John, clearly saying that it is the apostle's; and he mentions some prophetic utterances, refuting Trypho as having cut them out of the scriptures" in English¹. It is a sentence from Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History 4.18.8¹², where he quotes Irenaeus' Against Heresies 4.26.2³ about the prophetic gifts and the authorship of Revelation. The word χαρίσματα comes from the noun χάρισμα, which means "gift, favor, grace" in Greek⁴.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/26/2023(1) Hebrews 3:6 Parallel Greek Texts. https://biblehub.com/texts/hebrews/3-6.htm Accessed 3/26/2023.
(2) "Gifts of the Spirit": Literally not even in the Bible.. http://www.wiebefamily.org/spiritual_gifts.htm Accessed 3/26/2023.
(3) Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/te ... hapter%3D2 Accessed 3/26/2023.
(4) Eusebius of Caesarea, Historia ecclesiastica - perseus.tufts.edu. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/te ... chapter=18 Accessed 3/26/2023.
I notice the Jews have disappeared from Bing's translation; Trypho becomes the one cutting them out (rather than circumcising them) from scripture (plural).
Me: What does this mean? Βουλόμενος ὁ Σολομῶν υἱὸς Δαυεὶδ ἀνακτίσαι καὶ οἰκοδομῆσαι τὴν Σιών, κελεύσας κατὰ τόπον καὶ κατὰ χώραν τοῦ συναχθῆναι τεχνίτας ἄνδρας τοῦ ἐργάζεσθαι εἰς τὸν ναὸν τοῦ θεοῦ, μέσον δὲ τῶν τεχνιτῶν ἦτον ἓνας νέος πολλὰ ἄξιος καὶ πολλὴν προθυμίαν ἔχων κατὰ τῆς οἰκοδομῆς τοῦ θείου ναοῦ· διὸ καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ βασιλέως πολλὰ ἦν ἀγαπώμενος, καὶ τὰ σιτία καὶ τὸν μισθὸν διπλοῦν ἐλάμβανεν ὑπὲρ πάντας τοὺς τεχνίτας· καὶ ἔχαιρεν ὁ βασιλεὺς ἐπὶ τὴν τοῦ παιδὸς προθυμίαν.
This is a Greek text from the Bible. It is from 1 Kings 6:7 and it describes how Solomon, son of David, ordered the construction of the temple of God in Zion. He commanded that skilled workers be gathered to work on the temple and that a young man who was particularly skilled and enthusiastic be placed in charge of the construction³. The text also mentions that Solomon was pleased with this young man's enthusiasm and paid him double what he paid other workers³.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/26/2023(1) 1 Kings 11 Swete's Septuagint. https://biblehub.com/sepd/1_kings/11.htm Accessed 3/26/2023.
(2) Strong's Greek: 1014. βούλομαι (boulomai) -- 37 Occurrences. https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1014.htm Accessed 3/26/2023.
(3) Διαθήκη του Σολομώντος - Βικιθήκη. https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%94%C ... E%BF%CF%82 Accessed 3/26/2023.
(4) 2 Samuel 23 Swete's Septuagint. https://biblehub.com/sepd/2_samuel/23.htm Accessed 3/26/2023.
(5) Ψαλμοί του Δαυίδ/Ν - Βικιθήκη. https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%A8%C ... %B4/%CE%9D Accessed 3/26/2023.
It's from the Testament of Solomon 1:1. The meaning is accurate, though.
Me: What does this poem mean? 1 *Ὑψιβρεμέτα, μάκαρ, οὐράνιε, ὃς ἔχεις τὰ Χερουβίμ* 2 ἱδρυμένος, λίτομαι, παναληθέα φημίξασαν 3 παῦσον βαιόν με· κέκμηκε γὰρ ἔνδοθεν ἦτορ. 4 ἀλλὰ τί μοι κραδίη πάλι πάλλεται ἠδέ γε θυμός 5 τυπτόμενος μάστιγι βιάζεται ἔνδοθεν αὐδήν 6 ἀγγέλλειν πᾶσιν; αὐτὰρ πάλι πάντʼ ἀγορεύσω, 7 ὅσσα θεὸς κέλεταί μʼ ἀγορευέμεν ἀνθρώποισιν.
This is a verse from the Sibylline Oracles, a collection of oracular utterances written in Greek hexameters ascribed to the Sibyls, prophetesses who uttered divine revelations in a frenzied state. The verse is part of a hymn to God and it means:

"O most exalted, blessed one, heavenly one, who has the Cherubim established, I implore you to stop your violent anger against me; for my heart is faint within me. But why does my heart tremble again and my soul struggle within me to proclaim to all that which God commands me to proclaim to men?"¹²

I hope this helps!

Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/26/2023(1) Χρησμοί Σιβυλλιακοί/Βιβλίο Γ - Βικιθήκη. https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%A7%C ... %BF_%CE%93 Accessed 3/26/2023.
(2) THE SIBYLLINE ORACLES. - Christian Classics Ethereal Library. https://www.ccel.org/ccel/deane/pseudepig.viii.i.html Accessed 3/26/2023.
(3) HellenicGods.org - THE ORPHIC HYMNS IN ANCIENT GREEK ONLINE. https://www.hellenicgods.org/the-orphic ... eek-online Accessed 3/26/2023.
That is really impressive! It's from SibOr 3.1
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And what ChatGPT-4 can do with the same prompt:
This poem is written in Ancient Greek, and it appears to be an invocation or prayer to a divine being. Here is a rough translation of the poem:

High-thundering, blessed, heavenly one, who has the Cherubim,
Established, I pray, having spoken the all-truthful word,
Stop the heavy burden on me; for my heart has grown weary within.
But why does my heart tremble again and my spirit,
Struck by the whip, is forced to speak from within,
Announcing everything to all? Yet again, I will tell all,
As much as the god commands me to speak to mankind.
The poem appears to be a plea for relief from a heavy burden or emotional weight that the speaker is experiencing. The speaker acknowledges the presence of the divine being (who has the Cherubim) and the power of the divine word. The speaker's heart is weary and trembling, and they feel compelled to share a message from within, as directed by the god. This poem may serve as an expression of the speaker's struggle with their spiritual duty and their submission to the divine will.
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ChatGPT-4's response is in sharp contrast to ChatGPT-3.5's hallucination, which was:
This is actually a passage from the ancient Greek play "Agamemnon" by Aeschylus, and it is not a poem in the traditional sense. It is a dialogue between the chorus and the character Clytemnestra, who is speaking in response to their question about her state of mind.

The passage begins with the chorus addressing the character of Agamemnon, who is now deceased and in the afterlife, and praising him as a ruler among the heavenly beings. Clytemnestra then interrupts, asking the chorus to stop singing and lamenting, as she is tormented by her own thoughts and emotions. She acknowledges that her heart is heavy and troubled, but she is not sure why.

Despite her inner turmoil, Clytemnestra resolves to speak about what the gods have commanded her to say to the people. She suggests that she will speak of all that the gods have asked her to share with humanity.

Overall, this passage is a reflection on the internal conflict of Clytemnestra, who is struggling to reconcile her own feelings with the divine guidance she has received. It is also a commentary on the nature of the gods and their relationship with mortals, as they give commands and guidance that must be obeyed, even if it is difficult or painful to do so.
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Thanks for replies all, I was a bit unwell so didn't get around to responding
Ken M. Penner wrote: March 25th, 2023, 6:41 am Yes, the technical term is "hallucinate". ChatGPT cannot access the internet, so if its answer requires it to look something up, ChatGPT will make up things that are plausible.
It's been called "mansplaining as a service."

Bing Chat, on the other hand, can and does look things up before answering. It produces much more accurate (but less detailed) results.
Your examples on this thread have been interesting, thanks for the info. Do you see these becoming useful tools that can provide reliable data consistently for beginner/intermediate folk in the near future? Or something that will require careful filtering for bad data for foreseeable future and therefore more of a risk than a benefit?
MAubrey wrote: March 25th, 2023, 5:30 pm Well that was certainly fun!
"The Middle Voice in Ancient Greek: A Study in Polysemy" by Andreas Willi (2018): This book offers a comprehensive analysis of the middle voice in ancient Greek, drawing on insights from cognitive linguistics and semantics. Willi argues that the middle voice is a polysemous category that can express a range of meanings, including reflexivity, reciprocity, agentivity, and affectedness.
This is a good example of ChatGPT dealing with a topic whose information is on the small side for its training corpus. It's blending Allan's book together with Andreas Willi's The orgins of the Greek verb.
For koine and possibly other ancient languages the small training corpus is likely to be an issue for some time I guess. I initially tried it with the difference between φιαλη and μπουκαλι in modern Greek; my Greek colleague pointed out that even there it didn't give particularly accurate information, even with that being a presumably larger corpus of data to draw on.
I initially titled this post something like "Koine Greek and arguing with Chat GPT". Given your comment here and what and Ken Penner have mentioned there seems precious little benefit in doing that.
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