Best Passages to Read after 1st Year Greek

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I have developed a system where by I rank the difficult of all the verses in the new testament by sum of frequency of each word in the NT divided by the number of words in the verse. Here are my finding. It was a simply project and i may not intend to build further from it.
https://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/po ... =30&t=3012
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What about adding the Apostolic Fathers to this? There is already an Apostolic Fathers lexicon and a commentary on the Didache, both available through Logos software. And Michael Holmes AP bilingual edition (Greek-English) has some helpful notes and commentary. (The same Michael Holmes who worked with the SBL Greek NT.)

For the most part, these documents are fairly easy Koine. There is also the site www.greekdoc.com which has lexicon links and parsing info for the AP as well as the GNT and LXX.
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geraldchua wrote: October 16th, 2021, 5:33 am I have developed a system where by I rank the difficult of all the verses in the new testament by sum of frequency of each word in the NT divided by the number of words in the verse. Here are my finding. It was a simply project and i may not intend to build further from it.
https://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/po ... =30&t=3012
That seems to be the wrong link. I would be interested in a link to what you have done.
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I am just seeing this now, I realize the original post is from 2015. I did something similar recently, but I used the vocabulary from Black's textbook as a basis for calculating a students ability to read a text, rather than a pure "most common words". I color coded it in an attempt to make it a bit more engaging for students.

https://biblicaltext.com/biblical-greek ... -frequency

One thing I would like to do, but I haven't got around to yet, is actually use a students flash card study history to generate the best passages to read list. (Because the flashcards don't use lexical form, but instead the contracted actual forms, it is possible to handle cases where a student might ( for example ) have learnt to read λεγω but not ειπον.
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This site looks very promising, Jacob. I've done a little digital flashcard work with Anki, so like the concept. The listings for the vocab frequency per chapter/passage look like they will be helpful. My LXX vocab skills aren't as good, so I will be glad of the help for that part also.

Thanks for sharing!
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I like it!
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Devenios Doulenios wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:30 am This site looks very promising, Jacob. I've done a little digital flashcard work with Anki, so like the concept. The listings for the vocab frequency per chapter/passage look like they will be helpful. My LXX vocab skills aren't as good, so I will be glad of the help for that part also.
Thanks for sharing!
I'd really love to get the LXX in there. I am halfway through tagging Jonah from Brentons LXX (its fully public domain) so I can put it up.

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I know there is actually a downloadable tagged LXX text (UPENN CCAT) that I could theoretically load into the site, but it appears to have some unclear -licensing restrictions. The LXX on the UPENN ftp server requires you to sign something and send it to Robert A. Kraft. But its not clear to me from that if Robert Kraft has the legal authority delegated to him to release the text. Has the University delegated the authority for him to do it? Or is the work not owned by the university but just hosted at the university? Its not clear. (Maybe the US is different from Australia, perhaps Universities in the US don't automatically own things produced by lecturers. I am not sure)

My long term goal is to fully train an AI model that can ingest text and tag it. So it might be feasible to find a non UPENN source for the text, and tag it with an AI. I am still learning/experimenting with AI models in my spare time so its probably a way off.
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I don't know if his format is compatible with yours, but John Barach at http://www.greekdoc.com/bible/index.html has an online Septuagint with links to an analytical lexicon and parsing info. Perhaps you could work together. As far as I know, his LXX is completely tagged. Since he has it with English and Hebrew, it may be that he used the Brenton edition. His site doesn't identify which edition he used.

I think I have his email address if you'd like to contact him.
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Jacob Rhoden wrote: October 6th, 2022, 7:02 am I know there is actually a downloadable tagged LXX text (UPENN CCAT) that I could theoretically load into the site, but it appears to have some unclear -licensing restrictions. The LXX on the UPENN ftp server requires you to sign something and send it to Robert A. Kraft. But its not clear to me from that if Robert Kraft has the legal authority delegated to him to release the text. Has the University delegated the authority for him to do it? Or is the work not owned by the university but just hosted at the university? Its not clear. (Maybe the US is different from Australia, perhaps Universities in the US don't automatically own things produced by lecturers. I am not sure)
The German Bible Society did some work on this, they were claiming the rights to that, and it's not easy to segregate it from the rest.
Jacob Rhoden wrote: October 6th, 2022, 7:02 am My long term goal is to fully train an AI model that can ingest text and tag it. So it might be feasible to find a non UPENN source for the text, and tag it with an AI. I am still learning/experimenting with AI models in my spare time so its probably a way off.
It would still need to be hand-corrected if you want it to be accurate. I am pretty sure a clean, morphologically tagged LXX will exist within the coming year or so. If you want to help with that, we should talk.
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