To stretch my Biblical Greek I try reading texts other than the NT. Here is the opening paragraph of Dorotheus of Gaza's Asceticas.
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ὅτε ἐποίησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἔθετο αὐτὸν ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ, καθὼς λέγει ἡ ἁγία Γραφή, κοσμήσας ἁπάσῃ ἀρετῇ, δοὺς αὐτῷ ἐντολὴν τοῦ μὴ φαγεῖν ἐκ τοῦ ξύλου τοῦ ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ παραδείσου.
I can get everything except κοσμήσας. I expect this to be aorist 3rd singular, but it appears to be second singular. What am I missing?
Thanks
Dorotheus of Gaza
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Dorotheus of Gaza
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Re: Dorotheus of Gaza
Neither. It's an aorist participle (parallel to δούς) in the nominative singular, "having adorned him with all virtue..."mikeatnip wrote: ↑August 18th, 2021, 10:07 am To stretch my Biblical Greek I try reading texts other than the NT. Here is the opening paragraph of Dorotheus of Gaza's Asceticas.
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ὅτε ἐποίησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἔθετο αὐτὸν ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ, καθὼς λέγει ἡ ἁγία Γραφή, κοσμήσας ἁπάσῃ ἀρετῇ, δοὺς αὐτῷ ἐντολὴν τοῦ μὴ φαγεῖν ἐκ τοῦ ξύλου τοῦ ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ παραδείσου.
I can get everything except κοσμήσας. I expect this to be aorist 3rd singular, but it appears to be second singular. What am I missing?
Thanks
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
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καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Re: Dorotheus of Gaza
Thanks, Barry. Makes sense now why there is no augment. I chose a Greek text for which I have no English translation so that I have to figure things out without using "the interlinear crutch." Hobbling along, I decided to use the B-Greek crutch.
Mike Atnip
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Re: Dorotheus of Gaza
Alpheios is really helpful for this kind of thing - you can quickly get inflections and definitions for text on any web page. Including this one.
The initial gloss may not fit, but you can get to LSJ with one click:
The initial gloss may not fit, but you can get to LSJ with one click:
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Thanks, Jonathan. I cannot reply to your PM it seems (because I am a new user, I assume), but yes, that is me. Had no idea anyone connected to PN would be on this board.
And the Alpheius site seems to be a good resource, of which I was not aware.
And the Alpheius site seems to be a good resource, of which I was not aware.
Mike Atnip
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Re: Dorotheus of Gaza
Or you can simply memorize principal parts and paradigms until you can do it instinctively.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑August 18th, 2021, 3:48 pm Alpheios is really helpful for this kind of thing - you can quickly get inflections and definitions for text on any web page. Including this one.
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The initial gloss may not fit, but you can get to LSJ with one click:
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N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Re: Dorotheus of Gaza
Like remembering that the nu and tau drop out of the aorist nominative participle. I used to know that; too much info trying to squeeze into my grey matter, and that detail got pushed out. Nice to have this little episode to insert it back in there. Hope it stays.
Mike Atnip
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But if you forget, or if you find it easier to learn by immersing yourself in real Greek and reading rather than memorizing tables, Alpheios can help. One click from the first dialog I showed, you can see this useful table:Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑August 18th, 2021, 11:46 pm Or you can simply memorize principal parts and paradigms until you can do it instinctively.
And it also has Smyth, so you can go from that table to a grammar and read up on principal parts and paradigms in a useful grammar.
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Excellent tool. Just downloaded and tried it out. Thanks.