Aorist stem formation
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Aorist stem formation
Chapter 13 of the Cambridge Grammer of Classical Greek (CGCG) identifies three ways aorist stems are formed: sigmatic, thematic and root. But traditional Greek New Testament grammers only identify two aorist forms: first aorist (sigmatic) and second aorist (everything else).
My question is, do present-day Koine grammers (and experts) still hold to the traditional 1st/2nd aorist morphology or do they align (or trend towards aligning) with the CGCG morphology?
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My question is, do present-day Koine grammers (and experts) still hold to the traditional 1st/2nd aorist morphology or do they align (or trend towards aligning) with the CGCG morphology?
Thanks!
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Re: Aorist stem formation
For the most part, you’re asking this of people who learned Greek nomenclature from older books. I learned “first aorist” and “second aorist” because I learned Greek originally from Mounce’s Basics of Biblical Greek. It’s the terminology that I’m familiar with. Subsequently, I have completed the Athenaze set, and there was nothing of this nomenclature in it. It just talks about sigmatic and asigmatic aorists.
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Re: Aorist stem formation
How does the Cambridge grammar define thematic aorist? (I don't have access.)
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Re: Aorist stem formation
Cambridge has:Devenios Doulenios wrote: ↑August 16th, 2023, 11:27 am How does the Cambridge grammar define thematic aorist? (I don't have access.)
- Sigmatic Aorists and Pseudo-Sigmatic Aorists
- Thematic Aorists
- Root Aorists
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νυν οιδα, ω φιλε. ευχαριστω σοι.
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Re: Aorist stem formation
Why not think of a way to join these two sentences together using a participle? Perhaps turn οἶδα into a participle or use γινώσκω or μανθάνω instead. Would you still use a vocative if that were done?
Perhaps something like: σοί, ὦ φίλε, εὐχαριστῶ ταῦτα γνούς.
It might just add to the style. What do you think?
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Could be you're right. I wrote it on the fly at work, so didn't think about it too much.
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Re: Aorist stem formation
"Pseudo-sigmatic" is a new term and not particularly transparent as there is no sigma left in the form. "Liquid" aorist is the usual term, and as bad as "liquid" is, I see no reason to invent a term even more opaque.
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Re: Aorist stem formation
I actually like liquid, it has a precise meaning. It is used for verb stems ending in -λ, -μ, -ν, or -ρ, which are "liquid consonants", which Thrax called ὑγρός. So the following scheme at least is clear about the forms involved:Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑August 18th, 2023, 9:14 pm"Pseudo-sigmatic" is a new term and not particularly transparent as there is no sigma left in the form. "Liquid" aorist is the usual term, and as bad as "liquid" is, I see no reason to invent a term even more opaque.
- Sigmatic Aorists - formed with a sigma
- Liquid Aorists - for verb stems that end with a liquid consonant
- Thematic Aorists - formed with a sigmatic vowel
- Root Aorists - formed by adding endings directly to the aorist stem
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