Can someone direct me to some source that demonstrates that they used "in the name of," “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ,” as "by the authority of" in the New Testament times or text. I believe that the context of Matthew 28:18-20 supports such a translation and it seems plausible, I just want a little more assurance that I am not transplanting a 20th century meaning into a 1st century text.
Thank you, Brent Davis
Matthew 28:19 “εις τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
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Re: Matthew 28:19 “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
I don't think it means "by the authority of ..." but rather "into the authority of ...". Examples are John 1:12, Acts 19:5, 1 Cor 1:13. I think it is "εν τω ονοματι του ..." that should be used for "in/by the authority of ...", such as in Mark 16:17, Luke 10:17, John 5:43, John 10:25, John 17:11, John 20:31, Acts 3:6, Acts 9:27, Phlp 2:10.Brent Davis wrote:Can someone direct me to some source that demonstrates that they used "in the name of," “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ,” as "by the authority of" in the New Testament times or text. I believe that the context of Matthew 28:18-20 supports such a translation and it seems plausible, I just want a little more assurance that I am not transplanting a 20th century meaning into a 1st century text.
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Re: Matthew 28:19 “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
This is so common as to almost not require examples, but since we are in Mt, try these
“Ὁ δεχόμενος ὑμᾶς ἐμὲ δέχεται, καὶ ὁ ἐμὲ δεχόμενος δέχεται τὸν ἀποστείλαντά με. ὁ δεχόμενος προφήτην εἰς ὄνομα προφήτου μισθὸν προφήτου λήμψεται, καὶ ὁ δεχόμενος δίκαιον εἰς ὄνομα δικαίου μισθὸν δικαίου λήμψεται. καὶ ὃς ἂν ποτίσῃ ἕνα τῶν μικρῶν τούτων ποτήριον ψυχροῦ μόνον εἰς ὄνομα μαθητοῦ, ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν αὐτοῦ.” (Matthew 10:40–42, NA27)
“οἱ δὲ ὄχλοι οἱ προάγοντες αὐτὸν καὶ οἱ ἀκολουθοῦντες ἔκραζον λέγοντες· ὡσαννὰ τῷ υἱῷ Δαυίδ· εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι κυρίου· ὡσαννὰ ἐν τοῖς ὑψίστοις.” (Matthew 21:9, NA27)
“λέγω γὰρ ὑμῖν, οὐ μή με ἴδητε ἀπʼ ἄρτι ἕως ἂν εἴπητε· εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι κυρίου.” (Matthew 23:39, NA27)
Yet, one of the more striking instances is
“τοῦτο δὲ ἐποίει ἐπὶ πολλὰς ἡμέρας. διαπονηθεὶς δὲ Παῦλος καὶ ἐπιστρέψας τῷ πνεύματι εἶπεν· παραγγέλλω σοι ἐν ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐξελθεῖν ἀπʼ αὐτῆς· καὶ ἐξῆλθεν αὐτῇ τῇ ὥρᾳ.” (Acts 16:18, NA27)
“Ὁ δεχόμενος ὑμᾶς ἐμὲ δέχεται, καὶ ὁ ἐμὲ δεχόμενος δέχεται τὸν ἀποστείλαντά με. ὁ δεχόμενος προφήτην εἰς ὄνομα προφήτου μισθὸν προφήτου λήμψεται, καὶ ὁ δεχόμενος δίκαιον εἰς ὄνομα δικαίου μισθὸν δικαίου λήμψεται. καὶ ὃς ἂν ποτίσῃ ἕνα τῶν μικρῶν τούτων ποτήριον ψυχροῦ μόνον εἰς ὄνομα μαθητοῦ, ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν αὐτοῦ.” (Matthew 10:40–42, NA27)
“οἱ δὲ ὄχλοι οἱ προάγοντες αὐτὸν καὶ οἱ ἀκολουθοῦντες ἔκραζον λέγοντες· ὡσαννὰ τῷ υἱῷ Δαυίδ· εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι κυρίου· ὡσαννὰ ἐν τοῖς ὑψίστοις.” (Matthew 21:9, NA27)
“λέγω γὰρ ὑμῖν, οὐ μή με ἴδητε ἀπʼ ἄρτι ἕως ἂν εἴπητε· εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι κυρίου.” (Matthew 23:39, NA27)
Yet, one of the more striking instances is
“τοῦτο δὲ ἐποίει ἐπὶ πολλὰς ἡμέρας. διαπονηθεὶς δὲ Παῦλος καὶ ἐπιστρέψας τῷ πνεύματι εἶπεν· παραγγέλλω σοι ἐν ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐξελθεῖν ἀπʼ αὐτῆς· καὶ ἐξῆλθεν αὐτῇ τῇ ὥρᾳ.” (Acts 16:18, NA27)
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Re: Matthew 28:19 “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
ῃτήσατο Brent,
Yes and no. LSJ, BDAG, TDNT or any number of the acronymous tomes will demonstrate this just fine, but the question is, what do you mean by “by the authority of?” If you mean that the person DOING the baptizing does so standing in for God, a sort of sub-contractor doing what God would do if He had time, then the answer is no, εἰς ὄνομα τοῦ does not and can never mean that. (I’m not sure if I agree with David L. (hi, David) that ἐν ονόματι τοῦ can mean this; I’d have to think about it, but my inclination is that in these phrases εἰς and ἐν, which of course originally were the same word, are used interchangeably, as the variant readings show.) If, on the other hand, you mean, the person GETTING baptized submits to the authority of God, goes INTO (εἰς μετὰ τῆς αίτιατικῆς) the willingness to accept the Lordship of Jesus/Father/Holy Ghost, then yes.
Here is the way the γλωσσάριο of Today’s Greek Version puts it, under the word ὄνομα:
χαῖρε Βρεντ,Can someone direct me to some source that demonstrates that they used "in the name of," “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ,” as "by the authority of" in the New Testament times or text.
Yes and no. LSJ, BDAG, TDNT or any number of the acronymous tomes will demonstrate this just fine, but the question is, what do you mean by “by the authority of?” If you mean that the person DOING the baptizing does so standing in for God, a sort of sub-contractor doing what God would do if He had time, then the answer is no, εἰς ὄνομα τοῦ does not and can never mean that. (I’m not sure if I agree with David L. (hi, David) that ἐν ονόματι τοῦ can mean this; I’d have to think about it, but my inclination is that in these phrases εἰς and ἐν, which of course originally were the same word, are used interchangeably, as the variant readings show.) If, on the other hand, you mean, the person GETTING baptized submits to the authority of God, goes INTO (εἰς μετὰ τῆς αίτιατικῆς) the willingness to accept the Lordship of Jesus/Father/Holy Ghost, then yes.
Here is the way the γλωσσάριο of Today’s Greek Version puts it, under the word ὄνομα:
I’ll translate it into Koine:η βάπτιση στο όνομα του Ιησού σημαίνει ότι ο βαπτιζόμενος αναγνωρίζει το Χρστό ως Κύριο και ανήκει σ’ αυτόν.
and English:τὸ βάπτισμα εἰς ὄνομα τοῦ Ιησοῦ σημαίνει ὅτι ὁ βαπτιζόμενος ἀναγνωρίζει τὸν Χριστὸν ὠς Κύριον καὶ δοῦλος αὐτοῦ ἐστιν.
It would appear that, contrary to my Oneness Pentecostal friends (hi, Tammy, Shannon, Fred, and Tricia) nothing is meant here about speaking the name “Jesus” out loud in any sort of baptismal formula.Baptism into the authority of Jesus means that the person getting dunked recognizes Christ as Lord and belongs to Him.
Re: Matthew 28:19 “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
Hello Mark! As far as I can see, in the new testament whenever "by the authority of" is meant, "εις [το] ονομα του" is never used, because it indicates "direction" or purpose. Can you give some examples of the variant readings you are referring to? Anyway I would render "βαπτιζειν εις το ονομα του ιησου" as "to immerse into the name/authority of Jesus", as the implication is clear enough, both on the part of the one being immersed as well as on the part of the one immersing.Mark Lightman wrote:ῃτήσατο Brent,
χαῖρε Βρεντ,Can someone direct me to some source that demonstrates that they used "in the name of," “ειϛ τό ̓όνομα τοῦ,” as "by the authority of" in the New Testament times or text.
Yes and no. LSJ, BDAG, TDNT or any number of the acronymous tomes will demonstrate this just fine, but the question is, what do you mean by “by the authority of?” If you mean that the person DOING the baptizing does so standing in for God, a sort of sub-contractor doing what God would do if He had time, then the answer is no, εἰς ὄνομα τοῦ does not and can never mean that. (I’m not sure if I agree with David L. (hi, David) that ἐν ονόματι τοῦ can mean this; I’d have to think about it, but my inclination is that in these phrases εἰς and ἐν, which of course originally were the same word, are used interchangeably, as the variant readings show.) If, on the other hand, you mean, the person GETTING baptized submits to the authority of God, goes INTO (εἰς μετὰ τῆς αίτιατικῆς) the willingness to accept the Lordship of Jesus/Father/Holy Ghost, then yes.
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Re: Matthew 28:19 “εις τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
David wrote:
don't mean "by the authory of," but rather "in his capacity as a prophet/disciple," that is, "because he is prophet/disciple"
ἴθι πολλὰ χαίρων, ὦ φίλτατε.
I agree with this, though the sample size is a bit small. In George's examples, the ones with εὶς, anywayAs far as I can see, in the new testament whenever "by the authority of" is meant, "εις [το] ονομα του" is never used, because it indicates "direction" or purpose.
“Ὁ δεχόμενος ὑμᾶς ἐμὲ δέχεται, καὶ ὁ ἐμὲ δεχόμενος δέχεται τὸν ἀποστείλαντά με. ὁ δεχόμενος προφήτην εἰς ὄνομα προφήτου μισθὸν προφήτου λήμψεται, καὶ ὁ δεχόμενος δίκαιον εἰς ὄνομα δικαίου μισθὸν δικαίου λήμψεται. καὶ ὃς ἂν ποτίσῃ ἕνα τῶν μικρῶν τούτων ποτήριον ψυχροῦ μόνον εἰς ὄνομα μαθητοῦ, ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν αὐτοῦ.” (Matthew 10:40–42, NA27)
don't mean "by the authory of," but rather "in his capacity as a prophet/disciple," that is, "because he is prophet/disciple"
I meant in general. In general there is some textual interchange between εἰς and ἐν. Off hand I could not find this with the phrase in question, though some important witnesses for Acts 2:38, βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὄνόματι Ἰησοῦ, have ἐν instead of ἐπί.Can you give some examples of the variant readings you are referring to?
ἴθι πολλὰ χαίρων, ὦ φίλτατε.
Re: Matthew 28:19 “εις τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
Yes that is why I said that "by the authority of" is never expressed with "εις το ονομα του". I consider Matt 10:41 to mean "the [one] who receives [a] prophet for the reason of [the] authority of [a] prophet will receive [the] reward of [a] prophet." In other words, "the one who receives a prophet because of his authority as a prophet that God gave to him will also receive the same reward that God will give to a prophet."Mark Lightman wrote:David wrote:
I agree with this, though the sample size is a bit small. In George's examples, the ones with εὶς, anywayAs far as I can see, in the new testament whenever "by the authority of" is meant, "εις [το] ονομα του" is never used, because it indicates "direction" or purpose.
“Ὁ δεχόμενος ὑμᾶς ἐμὲ δέχεται, καὶ ὁ ἐμὲ δεχόμενος δέχεται τὸν ἀποστείλαντά με. ὁ δεχόμενος προφήτην εἰς ὄνομα προφήτου μισθὸν προφήτου λήμψεται, καὶ ὁ δεχόμενος δίκαιον εἰς ὄνομα δικαίου μισθὸν δικαίου λήμψεται. καὶ ὃς ἂν ποτίσῃ ἕνα τῶν μικρῶν τούτων ποτήριον ψυχροῦ μόνον εἰς ὄνομα μαθητοῦ, ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσῃ τὸν μισθὸν αὐτοῦ.” (Matthew 10:40–42, NA27)
don't mean "by the authory of," but rather "in his capacity as a prophet/disciple," that is, "because he is prophet/disciple"
Agreed, but I would be curious to see any examples where "εις το ονομα του" is used when the context clearly denotes "by the authority of". In Acts 2:38, "επι τω ονοματι ιησου" means "upon the authority of Jesus" and "εν τω ονοματι ιησου" means "by the authority of Jesus", both of which are essentially the same. If not then are there any examples where "V εις N" is used to mean "V by N (where N is an indirect agent)"? As far as I remember I have not seen any. Also, there are some words like "πιστευειν" which can be used with "εις" or "εν", but in my opinion they mean two rather distinct things. To me, "πιστευειν εις X" means "to entrust [oneself] to X" and "πιστευειν [εν] X" means "to believe [in] X". Of course, the two are related, but not quite the same enough for variants to be due to overlap in meaning of "εις" and "εν".Mark Lightman wrote:I meant in general. In general there is some textual interchange between εἰς and ἐν. Off hand I could not find this with the phrase in question, though some important witnesses for Acts 2:38, βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὄνόματι Ἰησοῦ, have ἐν instead of ἐπί.Can you give some examples of the variant readings you are referring to?
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Re: Matthew 28:19 “εις τό ̓όνομα τοῦ”
Thank you David, George and Mark, your comments have been very helpful!!! It makes perfect sense to me that Jesus is telling his disciples how to advance his kingdom: baptize people into it! Make them disciples, citizens, family, soldiers, priests of his new nation. Thank you!!