Matthew 25:39 reads: πότε δέ σε εἴδομεν ἀσθενοῦντα ἢ ἐν φθλακῇ καὶ ἤλθομεν πρός σε; ("But did we then see you sick or in jail and come to you?)
I'm wondering about the accentuation of the last word. I thought when used as the object of a preposition, σέ should be orthotonic and accented like πρός σέ, but NA27, UBS4, Hodges and Farstad, von Soden, Westcott and Hort, and even Tischendorf accent σε as if it is enclitic.
So what am I missing?
Stephen
Matt 25:39 πρός σε
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Matt 25:39 πρός σε
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
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Re: Matt 25:39 πρός σε
Apparently it's πρός that is the odd one out, at least in many MSS, and so this has led editors to write πρός σε etc. According to a footnote in Winer, Tischendorf in his 7th ed. wrote πρὸς μέ, σέ etc, but in the 8th ed he retained the accent on the pronoun in such cases only when the pronoun is emphatic.
G B Winer, A treatise on the grammar of New Testament Greek, pp. 62f. (Can be found on Google books).
See also, more briefly, BDF §279.
G B Winer, A treatise on the grammar of New Testament Greek, pp. 62f. (Can be found on Google books).
See also, more briefly, BDF §279.
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Re: Matt 25:39 πρός σε
That could be the explanation for Matt 25:39 (thanks for the cite to BDF!). The puzzle remains for me, however, that all the 17 other occurrences of πρὸς σέ in UBS2 (which TLG searches) have the orthotonic σέ (e.g. Matt 28:18, Mark 9:17, Luke 1:19)?
(Interestingly, UBS2 at Matt 14:28 read πρὸς σὲ ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα, but in UBS4 and NA27 it is now πρὸς σε ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα.)
Stephen
(Interestingly, UBS2 at Matt 14:28 read πρὸς σὲ ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα, but in UBS4 and NA27 it is now πρὸς σε ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα.)
Stephen
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Matt 25:39 πρός σε
Προς is indeed the odd man out here:sccarlson wrote:That could be the explanation for Matt 25:39 (thanks for the cite to BDF!). The puzzle remains for me, however, that all the 17 other occurrences of πρὸς σέ in UBS2 (which TLG searches) have the orthotonic σέ (e.g. Matt 28:18, Mark 9:17, Luke 1:19)?
(Interestingly, UBS2 at Matt 14:28 read πρὸς σὲ ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα, but in UBS4 and NA27 it is now πρὸς σε ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα.)
Stephen
However, if you look at the papyri, you will see that things were changing. Gignac notes that eventually even πρός began to take primarily orthotonic pronouns or more clearly, since accents were so rare--disyllabic 1st person pronouns.A. T. Robertson, 682 wrote:With prepositions (the “true” ones) the long form is used as in ancient Greek except with πρός, which uniformly has με even where emphasis is obvious.
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Re: Matt 25:39 πρός σε
I'm beginning to suspect that the accent differences in this case are due to the inconsistent application of editorial policy.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
Melbourne, Australia
Melbourne, Australia