OK, Soren.μετὰ φόβου καὶ τρόμου τὴν ἐμαυτοῦ σωτηρίαν ἐλπίζω

OK, Soren.μετὰ φόβου καὶ τρόμου τὴν ἐμαυτοῦ σωτηρίαν ἐλπίζω
Ἐπιστάτα ἐπιστάτα, ἀπολλύμεθαcwconrad wrote:μετὰ φόβου καὶ τρόμου τὴν ἐμαυτοῦ σωτηρίαν ἐλπίζω.
Shines a light on what he meant by γρηγορεῖτε, doesn't it? While they were 'wide-eyed awake', and full of dread - ἀφύπνωσεν. On the other hand, when he was full of dread and very much awake - ἔρχεται πρὸς τοὺς μαθητὰς καὶ εὑρίσκει αὐτοὺς καθεύδοντας.Jonathan Robie wrote:Ἐπιστάτα ἐπιστάτα, ἀπολλύμεθαcwconrad wrote:μετὰ φόβου καὶ τρόμου τὴν ἐμαυτοῦ σωτηρίαν ἐλπίζω.
Matthew 26:38, 41 wrote:38 τότε λέγει αὐτοῖς• περίλυπός ἐστιν ἡ ψυχή μου ἕως θανάτου• μείνατε ὧδε καὶ γρηγορεῖτε μετ᾽ ἐμοῦ. 39 … 41 γρηγορεῖτε καὶ προσεύχεσθε, ἵνα μὴ εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν• τὸ μὲν πνεῦμα πρόθυμον ἡ δὲ σὰρξ ἀσθενής.]
Stephen Hughes » March 18th, 2014, wrote:Yes. There will be a few more steps after this:
• The next step is to go through Louw & Nida for each of the possible chains.
• The third step would be to think about what is (logically) missing from the set.
• The fourth is to look in Woodhouse (Attic) and the τριανταφυλλίδης λεξικό (Modern Greek) for possible things to fill in the gap. This is quite time consuming.
• The fifth is to check whether those possible words were used in the Koine period. This basically involves looking at the LSJ entry on Perseus and seeing which authours are quoted. It is a rough-shod approach at best.
• The sixth is to try to work out the possible relationships between the words by considering the contexts which they are used in, especially when when they are used together. This is a text-intensive stage with the most creative input from the compiler.
Paul-Nitz » March 18th, 201 wrote:Bear with me. Try this sentence out. The verbs and nouns are nonsense but the forms and structure are Greek. What can a person figure out in this sentence?
ὀνάνων τὸν γάρα ὁ μιπάκος ἐταμάγγασεν ὑπὸ τῆς μιτέκῆς.
That brief, but very interesting discussion from last year ought to be revisited.cwconrad » March 18th, 2014 wrote:Well, we have a μπάκος who was ὀναν-ing the γάρα when he ταμάγγα-ed under the μπέκη. The problem is: ἐταμάγγασεν should be an aorist active verb but there's no object -- unless the γάρα is a common object of both ὀνάνων and ἐταμάγγασεν. Another problem: ὑπὸ τῆς μιτέκῆς looks like an agent construction, but that wouldn't work with the active verb form ἐταμάγγασεν, which is why I thought it's possibly something under which the action took place.
This is sort of like Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky" where we don't know what the nouns and verbs mean but there is nevertheless a reasonably clear narrative pattern.
If you've got something to add to it, you could always pick it up again and bring it back from what appears to be the dead.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:That brief, but very interesting discussion from last year ought to be revisited.
Matthew 9:24 (cf. Mark 5:39, Luke 8:52) wrote:οὐ γὰρ ἀπέθανεν τὸ κοράσιον, ἀλλὰ καθεύδει.
Lordy, Lordy, these people with weird predilections for "necroposts"! No wonder zombies are so big in certain literary circles these days.Stephen Hughes wrote:If you've got something to add to it, you could always pick it up again and bring it back from what appears to be the dead.Thomas Dolhanty wrote:That brief, but very interesting discussion from last year ought to be revisited.Matthew 9:24 (cf. Mark 5:39, Luke 8:52) wrote:οὐ γὰρ ἀπέθανεν τὸ κοράσιον, ἀλλὰ καθεύδει.
I, at least, would never dare to touch that piece of genius, but …with apologies to the great genius, and to Greek grammarians everywhere:Lewis Carroll wrote:`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.