How should I understand ποιούμενος in the phrase πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος?Jude 3 wrote:πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος γράφειν ὑμῖν
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Jude 3 πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Jude 3 πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος
Greek seems to like the use of the middle for ποιέω in verbal periphrases. It just seems to mean: "making every haste."
We recently discussed a similar construction in Heb 1:3 ποιησάμενος.
Stephen
We recently discussed a similar construction in Heb 1:3 ποιησάμενος.
Stephen
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Re: Jude 3 πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος
Or, to make it sound more like proper English, "making all haste".Stephen Carlson wrote:Greek seems to like the use of the middle for ποιέω in verbal periphrases. It just seems to mean: "making every haste."

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Re: Jude 3 πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος
Thanks - that's very helpful. I hadn't read the other thread, which is also useful.
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Re: Jude 3 πᾶσαν σπουδὴν ποιούμενος
In Finnish we say "pitää kiirettä", "to keep haste". I wouldn't be surprised if the middle form was natural to Greeks because in this case it affects the subject - "to make (all) haste for oneself".
Edit: Although σπουδή means in the context 'zeal, pains, trouble, effort' (LSJ). I'm not sure if the middle makes as much sense with that meaning... Well, these were quick thoughts.
Edit: Although σπουδή means in the context 'zeal, pains, trouble, effort' (LSJ). I'm not sure if the middle makes as much sense with that meaning... Well, these were quick thoughts.