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1 Peter 3:3 Genitive Relative ὧν...κόσμος

Posted: January 19th, 2014, 11:04 am
by Paul-Nitz

ὧν ἔστω οὐχ ὁ ἔξωθεν ἐμπλοκῆς τριχῶν καὶ περιθέσεως χρυσίων ἢ ἐνδύσεως ἱματίων κόσμος (ΝΑ27)

Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses (NASB95)



I'm having trouble understanding this ων at a gut level. I guess in 1 Pet 3:3 it means,

  • “Ὁ κόσμος ὑμῶν ἔστω οὐκ....”

    • (I had at first thought that the ων sitting there all alone at the top of the sentence meant something like “περι εκείνων ἅ έλεγον...”)
Is the following composed sentence the same construction?
  • ἥς τὸ τέκνον ἀγαθόν ἔστω .
    Let your child be good.
Is this construction in Rom 3:8 the same as we have in 1 Peter 3:3?
  • καὶ μὴ καθὼς βλασφημούμεθα καὶ καθώς φασίν τινες ἡμᾶς λέγειν ὅτι ποιήσωμεν τὰ κακά, ἵνα ἔλθῃ τὰ ἀγαθά; ὧν τὸ κρίμα ἔνδικόν ἐστιν. [/color][/size]

    Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.
    Romans 3:8
    (NIV84)

Re: 1 Peter 3:3 Genitive Relative ὧν...κόσμος

Posted: January 19th, 2014, 3:27 pm
by Stephen Hughes
All that purple looks like the work-sheets that we used to use at school before the age of economical photocopiers with toner... - Very retro - showing your age.

αἱ γυναῖκες of v 1 Peter 3:1 seems to be the reference. I think that the imperitival force is displaced into the participles in verses 1 & 2.
Paul-Nitz wrote:Is the following composed sentence the same construction?

ἥς τὸ τέκνον ἀγαθόν ἔστω .
Let your child be good.


Ἡ μητὴρ τεκνοφιλοῦσα καὶ ἐκπαιδεύσα κατὰ Θεὸν ἥς τὸ τέκνον ἀγαθόν ἔστω . "Let a mother love her children and bring them up in God and her child will be good." I.e it looks like the imperative is directed at the child but actually it is directed at the mother.
Paul-Nitz wrote:Is this construction in Rom 3:8 the same as we have in 1 Peter 3:3?
Romans 3:8 wrote:καὶ μὴ καθὼς βλασφημούμεθα καὶ καθώς φασίν τινες ἡμᾶς λέγειν ὅτι ποιήσωμεν τὰ κακά, ἵνα ἔλθῃ τὰ ἀγαθά; ὧν τὸ κρίμα ἔνδικόν ἐστιν.
Aparently there are no participles in the passage that you are quoting, so is no indication of the reason for their being rightly condemned from what we see in the first half of the verse

To be a similar sort of construction, it would need to be something like; ... βλασφημοῦντες ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἁγαθοποιούντας, καὶ ἡμᾶς λέγοντες ποιησάντας τὰ κακὰ ἵνα ἔλθῃ τὰ ἀγαθά; ὧν τὸ κρίμα ἔνδικόν ἐστιν. "They are blaspheming us when we do good and saying that we do evil things to achieve good things, and (so because of that) their judgement is just.

It would sound like a ridiculous notion to suggest, but if it were to be re-mood-ed into an extended (I realise that I said displaced earlier in this post) imperative with participles, it would read Βλασφημοῦντες ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἁγαθοποιούντας, καὶ ἡμᾶς λέγοντες ποιησάντας τὰ κακὰ ἵνα ἔλθῃ τὰ ἀγαθά; ὧν τὸ κρίμα ἔνδικόν ἕστω. "Cause/ teach them to speak evil of us who do good, and say about us that we do bad so that we can achieve good, and (as a result of that) their judgement will be just."

Re: 1 Peter 3:3 Genitive Relative ὧν...κόσμος

Posted: January 21st, 2014, 1:11 am
by David Lim
Paul-Nitz wrote:I'm having trouble understanding this ων at a gut level. I guess in 1 Pet 3:3 it means,
  • “Ὁ κόσμος ὑμῶν ἔστω οὐκ....”
Yes; "Let it be not the outward ... but the hidden ... that belongs to them".
Paul-Nitz wrote:
  • ἥς τὸ τέκνον ἀγαθόν ἔστω .
    Let your child be good.
It can't be used as a sentence on its own.
Paul-Nitz wrote:Is this construction in Rom 3:8 the same as we have in 1 Peter 3:3?
  • καὶ μὴ καθὼς βλασφημούμεθα καὶ καθώς φασίν τινες ἡμᾶς λέγειν ὅτι ποιήσωμεν τὰ κακά, ἵνα ἔλθῃ τὰ ἀγαθά; ὧν τὸ κρίμα ἔνδικόν ἐστιν.
I would say it is grammatically the same but results in a different meaning, with "κριμα" taking a genitive 'verbal complement'; "the judgement of them is just".