1 Timothy 2:11-12 archived threads
Posted: March 18th, 2014, 10:08 am
I have just been through the archives looking at threads relating to 1 Timothy 2:12, and pulling in one or two which concern verse 11, or the two verses together. I thought it might be helpful to others to post all the threads I have found. I have built upon the list posted by Professor Conrad in January 2003. I am not supposing that it is complete. In most cases the link is to the monthly archive, arranged by subject, so one only needs to scroll down to the title of the thread. For the January 2010 thread, you may need to search on the linked page for the title. I have given a very short extract from the first post in each thread, to give some idea of its nature. Where the thread has changed title mid-course, I have numbered each title. Andrew
GUNH EN HSUCIA -- 1Ti 2.11
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5 messages
Shaughn Daniel
Jan 11 1996
“3. What do you think of this rendering of v. 11? "But I do not allow women to teach IN A WAY THAT (OUDE) they exercise authority over men, but to be
in submission (EN HSUCIA)"
4. Can EN HSUCIA mean something like "to have a quiet manner", etc., without implying that they are not allowed to teach at all?”
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Greek help on women's issues
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7 messages
John R. Baldwin
Jun 06 1996
“He is re-evaluating Church of Christ positions on interpretations of I Cor 14:26-40 and I Tim 2:11-15. ..”
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1) AUQENTEIN, 1Tim2.12
2) AUQENTEIN
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24 messages
Kyrychenko
15 May 1998
"What does AUQENTEIN in 1Tim2.12 mean in the context of the letter?"
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1 Tim 2:12
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22 messages
Thomas Biddy
Jun 25 1998
“Can 1 Tim 2:12 mean wife?”
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1 Timothy 2:11 (actually 2:12)
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4 messages
Michael Steinman
Oct 15 1999
“She states that "women" (GUNAIKI)is not in the accustive form so the infinitive "to teach" (DIDASKEIN)cannot refer to woman.”
….......
1 Timothy 2:12
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18 messages
Michael Abernathy
Oct 16 1999
"A Is it probable that authentein gives the purpose for the teaching which Paul forbids?
B Is the following translation viable? I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority independent of her husband?"
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1 Tim 2:11-12
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3 messages
Roe
Jun 13 2000
“.could not MANQANETW (EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi) DIDASKEIN of 1 Tim 2:11 and 12 mean "learn ... to teach"?”
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1) 1 Tim. 2:12, meaning of AUQENTEIN
2) Meaning of AUQENTEIN
3) Thread closed
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20 messages
Robert R Monti
Aug 11 2000
"I'm trying to get some in-depth information on the meaning of AUQENTEIN in 1 Tim. 2:12 I noticed that ANHR appears in the genitive here. Is this an example of the genitive object?"
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OUDE in 1 Timothy 2:12
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11 messages
Dave Washburn
Feb 16 2001
“ I'm wondering if the OUDE, "nor," might have some explanatory force..”
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1 Tim 2:12--grammatical structure
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3 messages
Jim Crouch
May 9 2001
“Can the word "man" (genitive, ANDROS, object of the infinitve AUQENTEIN) also be the object of the infinitive "DIDASKEIN?" “
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Lexical Semantics Methods
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4 messages
c stirling bartholomew
May 15 2002
“Just finished reading H.S. Baldwin's treatment* of AUQENTEIN.”
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Titus [sic: 1 Timothy] 2:12 Explicative OUDE
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2 messages
Frazier Conley
May 18 2002
"Lenski: '..'neither to exercise authority over a man' states the point involved in the forbidding 'to teach.' ' "
…..................
infinitive -> finite verb
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12 messages
c stirling bartholomew
May 20 2002
“Andreas Kostenberger* states that the placement of DIDASKEIN prior to the finite verb EPITREPW does not have much significance..”
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1 Timothy 2:12 "Domineering?"
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6 messages
Joel Thomas Banks
Jan 10 2003
“..in the Greek text, the verb "domineer" (NEB, "have authority" RSV NIV) qualifies "teach" and specifies what kind of teaching is prohibited.(102)..”
….....................
1 Timothy 2:12
2) Fwd: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:12
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5 messages
Oetla Simankane
Jun 21 2004
"..Paul uses, DIDASKEIN (present infinitive) instead of > DIDAXAI (aorist infinitive).."
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I Tim 2:12
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2 messages
gene baker
Jun 18 2005
“Can OUDE be taken as indicating the content of the DIDASKALIA?”
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question re: authentein andros
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2 messages
greg coupe
Sep 29 2005
“can the words "authentein andros" be interpreted to mean "To be self working (which is the task) of man." "
…...................
Present Tense
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4 messages
Seth
Jul 9 2007
“.. continual regularity in regard to teaching and leading; as opposed to individual, finite instances..”
…...............
1Tim2:12 - man or husband?
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2 messages
'Adrian'
Apr 19 2008
“I've read a few authors who say that the use of the genitive singular ANDROS in this verse means that this should be translated as husband”
….........................
Diagraming 1 TI 2:12.
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4 messages
bdgayton
Jul 29 2008
“does the conjunction "nor" tie both of the infinitives "to teach" and "to have authority over" a man?”
…..............
What case does the object of AUQENTEIN take? - 1 Tim 2:12
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10 messages
Eric S. Weiss
Jan 16 2010
“What case does the object of AUQENTEIN usually take?”
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1 Tim 2:12 - should both infinitives apply to ANHR?
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/vie ... ?f=6&t=684
12 posts
Eric S. Weiss
August 22nd, 2011
“Does the word order seem to favor just AUQENTEIN pertaining to ANHR ..”
GUNH EN HSUCIA -- 1Ti 2.11
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-arch ... bject.html
5 messages
Shaughn Daniel
Jan 11 1996
“3. What do you think of this rendering of v. 11? "But I do not allow women to teach IN A WAY THAT (OUDE) they exercise authority over men, but to be
in submission (EN HSUCIA)"
4. Can EN HSUCIA mean something like "to have a quiet manner", etc., without implying that they are not allowed to teach at all?”
…............................
Greek help on women's issues
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-arch ... html#13486
7 messages
John R. Baldwin
Jun 06 1996
“He is re-evaluating Church of Christ positions on interpretations of I Cor 14:26-40 and I Tim 2:11-15. ..”
…............
1) AUQENTEIN, 1Tim2.12
2) AUQENTEIN
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/archives/ ... html#start
24 messages
Kyrychenko
15 May 1998
"What does AUQENTEIN in 1Tim2.12 mean in the context of the letter?"
….......
1 Tim 2:12
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22 messages
Thomas Biddy
Jun 25 1998
“Can 1 Tim 2:12 mean wife?”
….................
1 Timothy 2:11 (actually 2:12)
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4 messages
Michael Steinman
Oct 15 1999
“She states that "women" (GUNAIKI)is not in the accustive form so the infinitive "to teach" (DIDASKEIN)cannot refer to woman.”
….......
1 Timothy 2:12
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
18 messages
Michael Abernathy
Oct 16 1999
"A Is it probable that authentein gives the purpose for the teaching which Paul forbids?
B Is the following translation viable? I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority independent of her husband?"
…..................
1 Tim 2:11-12
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3 messages
Roe
Jun 13 2000
“.could not MANQANETW (EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi) DIDASKEIN of 1 Tim 2:11 and 12 mean "learn ... to teach"?”
…..................
1) 1 Tim. 2:12, meaning of AUQENTEIN
2) Meaning of AUQENTEIN
3) Thread closed
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20 messages
Robert R Monti
Aug 11 2000
"I'm trying to get some in-depth information on the meaning of AUQENTEIN in 1 Tim. 2:12 I noticed that ANHR appears in the genitive here. Is this an example of the genitive object?"
….....................
OUDE in 1 Timothy 2:12
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11 messages
Dave Washburn
Feb 16 2001
“ I'm wondering if the OUDE, "nor," might have some explanatory force..”
…........................
1 Tim 2:12--grammatical structure
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
3 messages
Jim Crouch
May 9 2001
“Can the word "man" (genitive, ANDROS, object of the infinitve AUQENTEIN) also be the object of the infinitive "DIDASKEIN?" “
…........................
Lexical Semantics Methods
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4 messages
c stirling bartholomew
May 15 2002
“Just finished reading H.S. Baldwin's treatment* of AUQENTEIN.”
….........................
Titus [sic: 1 Timothy] 2:12 Explicative OUDE
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2 messages
Frazier Conley
May 18 2002
"Lenski: '..'neither to exercise authority over a man' states the point involved in the forbidding 'to teach.' ' "
…..................
infinitive -> finite verb
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
12 messages
c stirling bartholomew
May 20 2002
“Andreas Kostenberger* states that the placement of DIDASKEIN prior to the finite verb EPITREPW does not have much significance..”
….................
1 Timothy 2:12 "Domineering?"
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
6 messages
Joel Thomas Banks
Jan 10 2003
“..in the Greek text, the verb "domineer" (NEB, "have authority" RSV NIV) qualifies "teach" and specifies what kind of teaching is prohibited.(102)..”
….....................
1 Timothy 2:12
2) Fwd: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:12
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5 messages
Oetla Simankane
Jun 21 2004
"..Paul uses, DIDASKEIN (present infinitive) instead of > DIDAXAI (aorist infinitive).."
…...........................
I Tim 2:12
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... 34787.html (not in June 2005 archive)
2 messages
gene baker
Jun 18 2005
“Can OUDE be taken as indicating the content of the DIDASKALIA?”
….............................
question re: authentein andros
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2 messages
greg coupe
Sep 29 2005
“can the words "authentein andros" be interpreted to mean "To be self working (which is the task) of man." "
…...................
Present Tense
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
4 messages
Seth
Jul 9 2007
“.. continual regularity in regard to teaching and leading; as opposed to individual, finite instances..”
…...............
1Tim2:12 - man or husband?
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
2 messages
'Adrian'
Apr 19 2008
“I've read a few authors who say that the use of the genitive singular ANDROS in this verse means that this should be translated as husband”
….........................
Diagraming 1 TI 2:12.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... bject.html
4 messages
bdgayton
Jul 29 2008
“does the conjunction "nor" tie both of the infinitives "to teach" and "to have authority over" a man?”
…..............
What case does the object of AUQENTEIN take? - 1 Tim 2:12
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... hread.html
10 messages
Eric S. Weiss
Jan 16 2010
“What case does the object of AUQENTEIN usually take?”
….................
1 Tim 2:12 - should both infinitives apply to ANHR?
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/vie ... ?f=6&t=684
12 posts
Eric S. Weiss
August 22nd, 2011
“Does the word order seem to favor just AUQENTEIN pertaining to ANHR ..”