In other words, can I say categorically that it does not say "his own" based on the grammar or is it an open question to be resolved only by context?[2 Timothy 2:13 MGNT] (13) εἰ ἀπιστοῦμεν ἐκεῖνος πιστὸς μένει ἀρνήσασθαι γὰρ ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται
[2 Timothy 2:13 NASB20] (13) If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
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In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
I am not asking if it should read ἑαυτὸν as "his own" but rather if it is grammatically viable. IE: Ignoring context:
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
No. That would be τοὺς ἰδίους. It's a different word in Greek.
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
Thanks. That became clearer by the many examples in this related question:
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/vie ... =39&t=5430
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/vie ... =39&t=5430
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
Why does the title have the genitive ἑαυτοῦ but the example text has the accusative ἑαυτόν???
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
I try to use the lexical form, generally.
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
Not to be pedantic (but I am... ) but ἑαυτοῦ is the lexical form:
ἑαυτοῦ -ῆς -οῦ ἑ, αὐτός reflex. pron. ⓐ himself, herself, itself, oneself
Montanari, F. (2015). M. Goh & C. Schroeder (Eds.), The Brill Dictionary of Ancient Greek. Leiden; Boston: Brill.
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
I think he's saying that this is why he used the genitive in the title of the thread.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑July 26th, 2021, 2:57 pmNot to be pedantic (but I am... ) but ἑαυτοῦ is the lexical form:
ἑαυτοῦ -ῆς -οῦ ἑ, αὐτός reflex. pron. ⓐ himself, herself, itself, oneself
Montanari, F. (2015). M. Goh & C. Schroeder (Eds.), The Brill Dictionary of Ancient Greek. Leiden; Boston: Brill.
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Re: In 2 Timothy 2:13, is it possible that ἑαυτοῦ could read "his own"?
It seemed like a good idea in other situations but is admittedly unhelpful in the current context. Hopefully this does not mean a stint on Patmos.
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