I didn't think of ἀλγεῖν. I should've. I think I've seen it a few times in Plato's Republic. The other words wouldn't have worked for what I had in mind, but you couldn't possibly have known that. My teeth were fine, and I have only had three cavities in my life. It's the fact that my mouth gets cut to pieces during the cleaning that causes me such grief! Every nick becomes a sore that takes weeks to go away.Stephen Hughes wrote: ↑March 24th, 2017, 12:48 amἀλγήσω + acc. of respect.
(Cf. ὀδονταλγέω and γομφιάζω.)
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Re: A Greek Journal
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τήμερον, ἀνέγνων `Τὸ Γένος τὸ Ἄξιον Φονευθῆναι´*
*The Kind Worth Killing
cf. song of the Lord High Executioner in The Mikado.
*The Kind Worth Killing
cf. song of the Lord High Executioner in The Mikado.
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The prefixed preposition προσ- is used:Wes Wood wrote: ↑March 26th, 2017, 10:16 pmAfter looking at several different examples, I agree with your suggestion that the βάλλειν verbs would have been a better choice for what I was trying to convey. More specifically, I think that its various compounded forms are focused to a larger degree on the result of the action. How well do you think προσβάλλειν would do in that context? I believe that with or without circumlocutions it could be forced into service.
- (a) syntactically to add an extra detail to the verb - increase valence in a certain way - ie to make us think about something in addition to the action itself, eg προσμένειν "to remain in a situation where another person / thing is" - we think about two things, and προσεγγίζειν makes us think strongly / clearly about the other person or thing that is being approached.
(b) semantically to make us thing about something (else), eg προσποιέω "I make somebody think one is doing something".
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
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This is what I suspect as well. I will do a little digging this evening, and see what I come up with.Stephen Hughes wrote:Βάλλω being a movement, the logical relationship between one thing and another is where it is goin, so προσβάλλω might be okay. Perhaps you could put what you were shooting at in the dative, and the lead in the accusative.
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τὸ δὲ χρόνον `τῷ παλαιῷ τῆς Ἑλλάδος τρόπῳ´[1] ἐγγράψαι χαλεπόν μοι τράξαι. καὶ `ἐν τοῖς παλαίτατοις καίροις´[2] `ἀνώνυμον´[3] ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ τὸ σάββατον (ἡ ἑπτὰς: ὁ τῶν ἑπτὰς ἡμέρων καίρος).
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[1] http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... a%2Fdos%2C
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[1] http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... a%2Fdos%2C
[2] http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... %2Ftois%2Cὅμως δὲ οὔτε ξυνοικισθείσης πόλεως οὔτε ἱεροῖς καὶ κατασκευαῖς πολυτελέσι χρησαμένης, κατὰ κώμας δὲ τῷ παλαιῷ τῆς Ἑλλάδος τρόπῳ οἰκισθείσης, φαίνοιτ᾽ ἂν ὑποδεεστέρα), Ἀθηναίων δὲ τὸ αὐτὸ τοῦτο παθόντων διπλασίαν ἂν τὴν δύναμιν εἰκάζεσθαι ἀπὸ τῆς φανερᾶς ὄψεως τῆς πόλεως ἢ ἔστιν.
[3]http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 2Fnumon%2CΕὐφορίων δὲ ἐν τοῖς Ὑπομνήμασι λέγει τὴν Σάμον ἐν τοῖς παλαιτάτοις χρόνοις ἐρήμην γενέσθαι: φανῆναι γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ θηρία μεγέθει μὲν μέγιστα, ἄγρια δέ, καὶ προσπελάσαι τῳ δεινά, καλεῖσθαί γε μὴν νηάδας. ἅπερ οὖν καὶ μόνῃ τῇ βοῇ ῥηγνύναι τὴν γῆν. παροιμίαν οὗν ἐν τῇ Σάμῳ διαρρεῖν τὴν [p. 425] λέγουσαν ῾μεῖζον βοᾷ τῶν νηάδων.᾿ ὀστᾶ δὲ ἔτι καὶ νῦν αὐτῶν δείκνυσθαι μεγάλα ὁ αὐτός φησι.
τάχα μὲν οὖν ἂν φαίη τις οὐδ᾽ ἄρχοντας εἶναι τοὺς τοιούτους, οὐδὲ μετέχειν διὰ ταῦτ᾽ ἀρχῆς: καίτοι γελοῖον τοὺς κυριωτάτους ἀποστερεῖν ἀρχῆς. ἀλλὰ διαφερέτω μηδέν: περὶ ὀνόματος [30] γὰρ ὁ λόγος: ἀνώνυμον γὰρ τὸ κοινὸν ἐπὶ δικαστοῦ καὶ ἐκκλησιαστοῦ, τί δεῖ ταῦτ᾽ ἄμφω καλεῖν.
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The following sentences are additional practice with Eleanor Dickey's Greek Composition Book. I am trying to avoid any exercises from the book on the chance that a student might stumble upon them. Instead, I am trying to make up sentences that use the same vocabulary and focus on the same skills. Hopefully, I will find some measure of success.
Chapter 1 Practice Sentences:
Chapter 1 Practice Sentences:
1) Some women are sacrificing, but others (women) are not.
2) The horses are carrying books in the marketplace.
3) Today's men want to find good women.
4) The master is wanting to find his slave, but the slave is not wanting to be found.
5) The messengers are teaching the brothers well.
6) The master is teaching the slaves, but they are not learning.
7) The master is carrying his brother to sacrifice in the market. (to be sacrificed )
8) Today's men cannot find horses to eat.
9) The poets do not eat by teaching.
10) The horse wants to eat slaves.
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Chapter 1 (Attempted) Answers:
I'm trying not to go beyond (or at the very least much beyond) the information in chapter one, and this is not the way that I would feel comfortable writing some of these sentences. Do numbers 7, 8, and 10 even work?1) αἱ μὲν θύουσιν, αἱ δὲ οὐ.
2) οἱ ἵπποι βιβλία φέρουσιν ἐν ἀγορᾷ.
3) οἱ νῦν τὰς ἀγαθὰς εὑρίσκειν ἐθέλουσιν.
4) ὁ δεσπότης τὸν δοῦλον εὑρίσκειν ἐθέλει, ὁ δὲ οὐκ ἐθέλει εὑρίσκεσθαι.
5) οἱ ἄγγελοι τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς εὖ παιδεύουσιν.
6) ὁ δεσπότης τοὺς δούλους παιδεύει, οἱ δὲ οὐ μανθάνουσιν.
7) ὁ δεσπότης τὸν ἀδελφὸν τοῦ θύεσθαι φέρει.
8) οἱ νῦν ἵππους τοῦ φαγεῖν οὐ εὑρίσκουσιν.
9) οἱ ποιήται οὐ ἐσθίουσι τῷ παιδεύειν.
10) ὁ ἵππος δούλους φαγεῖν ἐθέλει.
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Reading your Greek before your English, yes, except "in the market."
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)