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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 17th, 2020, 5:35 pm
by Ken M. Penner
Stephen Nelson wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 4:16 pm
Was there a typo in that citation by chance?
Yes! Mea culpa! 3 Kgdms 2:28.

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 17th, 2020, 5:54 pm
by Stephen Nelson
Ken M. Penner wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 5:35 pm
Yes! Mea culpa! 3 Kgdms 2:28.
There we go! Thanks!

3 Kingdoms (1 Kings) 2:28 -

NASB:
Now the news came to Joab, for Joab had followed Adonijah, although he had not followed Absalom.
And Joab fled to the tent of the LORD and took hold of the horns of the altar.
LXX:
καὶ ἡ ἀκοὴ ἦλθεν ἕως Ιωαβ τοῦ υἱοῦ Σαρουιας, ὅτι Ιωαβ ἦν κεκλικὼς ὀπίσω Αδωνιου, καὶ ὀπίσω Σαλωμων οὐκ ἔκλινεν.
καὶ ἔφυγεν Ιωαβ εἰς τὸ σκήνωμα τοῦ κυρίου καὶ κατέσχεν τῶν κεράτων τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου.
NETS:
And the news came to Ioab the son of Sarouia - for Ioab had inclined after Adonias and did not incline after Salomon -
and Ioab fled to the covert of the Lord and grasped the horns of the altar.

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 17th, 2020, 7:57 pm
by Stephen Nelson
Ken M. Penner wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 3:49 pm
FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist).
Would you draw that conclusion for 4 Kingdoms 12:8-15, where the translator has "κραταιόω - ἐνισχύω - κατέχω"?

Why do you suppose he only used κατέχω in verse 13a?

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 11:11 am
by Ken M. Penner
Stephen Nelson wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 7:57 pm
Ken M. Penner wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 3:49 pm
FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist).
Would you draw that conclusion for 4 Kingdoms 12:8-15, where the translator has "κραταιόω - ἐνισχύω - κατέχω"?

Why do you suppose he only used κατέχω in verse 13a?
Yes, I would draw the conclusion that "we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes". ;)
But I'm puzzled about the inconsistency. FWIW, I could find nothing in the secondary literature or the Septuaginta Deutsch commentary.

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 2:39 pm
by Jonathan Robie
FWIW, here is Hatch & Redpath's entry on κατέχειν, which shows which Hebrew words it translates for various meanings. Because of the way attachments work here, I will do this in two messages.

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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 2:40 pm
by Jonathan Robie
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