Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Barry Hofstetter
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Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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P.Oxy 3.531, a letter from a father to his son. Structurally the letter reminds me more of 2 and 3 John than anything else, but see what you think.

1 Κορνήλιος Ἱέρακι τῷ γλυκυτάτωι υἱῷ
2 χαίρειν.
3 ἡδέως σε ἀσπαζόμεθα πάντες οἱ ἐν οἴκωι καὶ
4 τοὺς μετʼ ἐσοῦ πάντας. περὶ οὗ μοι παλλάκεις
5 γράφεις ἀνθρώπου μηδὲν προσποιηθῇς
6 ἕως ἐπʼ ἀγαθῷ πρὸς σὲ παραγένομαι σὺν Οὐ-
7 ηστείνῳ μετὰ καὶ τῶν ὄνων. ἐὰν γὰρ θεοὶ θέλω-
8 σι τάχιον πρὸς σὲ ἥξω μετὰ τὸν Μεχεὶρ μῆνα
9 ἐπεὶ ἐν χερσὶν ἔχω ἐπείξιμα ἔργα. ὅρα μηδε-
10 νὶ ἀνθρώπων ἐν τῇ οἰκίᾳ προσκρο[ύ]σῃς, ἀλλὰ τοῖς
11 βιβλίοις σου αὐτὸ μόνον πρόσεχ[ε] φιλολογῶν
12 καὶ ἀπʼ αὐτῶν ὄνησιν ἕξεις. κόμ[ι]σαι διὰ Ὀν-
13 νωφρᾶ τὰ ἱμάτια τὰ λευκὰ τὰ δυ[ν]άμενα
14 μετὰ τῶν πορφυρῶν φορεῖσθαι φαινολίων,
15 τὰ ἄλλα μετὰ τῶν μουρσίνων φορέσεις.
16 διὰ Ἀνουβᾶ πέμψω σοι καὶ ἀργύριον καὶ
17 ἐπιμήνια καὶ τὸ ἄλλο ζεῦγος τῶν ὑσγείνων.
18 τοῖς ὀψαρίοις ἐξήλλαξας ἡμᾶς, τούτων καὶ τὴν
19 τιμὴν δἰ Ἀνουβᾶ πέμψω σοι, μέντοιγε
20 ἕως πρὸς σὲ ἔλθῃ Ἀνουβᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ σοῦ χαλκοῦ τὸ
21 ὀψώνιόν σου καὶ τῶν σῶν ἐξοδίασον
22 ἕως πέμψω. ἔστι δὲ τοῦ Τῦβι μηνὸς
23 σοὶ ὃ θέλεις, Φρονίμῳ (δραχμαὶ) ιϛ, τοῖς περὶ Ἀβάσκ(αντον)
24 καὶ Μύρωνι (δραχμαὶ) θ, Σεκούνδῳ (δραχμαὶ) ιβ. πέμ-
25 ψον Φρόνιμον πρὸς Ἀσκληπιάδην ἐμῶι
26 ὀνόματι καὶ λαβέτω παρʼ αὐτοῦ ἀντιφώνη-
27 σιν ἧς ἔγραψα αὐτῷ ἐπιστολῆς καὶ πέμψον.
28 περὶ ὧν θέλεις δήλωσόν μοι. ἔρρωσο, τέκνον.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter
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Daniel Semler
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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I've finally had to resort to an Accordance workspace specifically for these :)
Having ready access to all the dictionaries and grammars plus the web resources - not least a page on the Ancient Greek month names - it just became too hard swapping back and fourth.
Not that it has everything I want but it's a good help.

Thx
D
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 11th, 2021, 12:03 pm 4 τοὺς μετʼ ἐσοῦ πάντας. περὶ οὗ μοι παλλάκεις
Looks like this text was retyped by an American.
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Barry Hofstetter
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Stephen Carlson wrote: June 12th, 2021, 6:42 pm
Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 11th, 2021, 12:03 pm 4 τοὺς μετʼ ἐσοῦ πάντας. περὶ οὗ μοι παλλάκεις
Looks like this text was retyped by an American.
I'm not at all sure what you mean. The text is as the manuscript has it. I will call attention to ἐσοῦ, which seems to be by analogy with ἐμοῦ. Normally with σύ the difference is simply with the accent. I don't think I've seen this elsewhere. A bit surprising considering the writer's Greek is otherwise pretty standard.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Daniel Semler
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 13th, 2021, 7:28 am
Stephen Carlson wrote: June 12th, 2021, 6:42 pm
Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 11th, 2021, 12:03 pm 4 τοὺς μετʼ ἐσοῦ πάντας. περὶ οὗ μοι παλλάκεις
Looks like this text was retyped by an American.
I'm not at all sure what you mean. The text is as the manuscript has it. I will call attention to ἐσοῦ, which seems to be by analogy with ἐμοῦ. Normally with σύ the difference is simply with the accent. I don't think I've seen this elsewhere. A bit surprising considering the writer's Greek is otherwise pretty standard.
I think Stephen may have been referring to the errant α in παλλάκεις where DDbDP has πολλάκεις.

Regarding ἐσοῦ I found a very brief reference in LSJ
ἔσοπτρος, ὁ,=foreg., Orph. Fr. 31i30. ἐσοῦ, late form of σοῦ, v. σύ.

LSJ, s.v. “ἔσοπτρος, ὁ ἐσοῦ,” 697.
https://accordance.bible/link/read/LSJ#69116
Thx
D
Barry Hofstetter
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Daniel Semler wrote: June 13th, 2021, 10:31 am
I think Stephen may have been referring to the errant α in παλλάκεις where DDbDP has πολλάκεις.

Regarding ἐσοῦ I found a very brief reference in LSJ



Thx
D
Okay, and thanks for the LSJ -- I missed that when I looked at the entry.
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Daniel Semler wrote: June 13th, 2021, 10:31 am
Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 13th, 2021, 7:28 am
Stephen Carlson wrote: June 12th, 2021, 6:42 pm
Looks like this text was retyped by an American.
I'm not at all sure what you mean. The text is as the manuscript has it. I will call attention to ἐσοῦ, which seems to be by analogy with ἐμοῦ. Normally with σύ the difference is simply with the accent. I don't think I've seen this elsewhere. A bit surprising considering the writer's Greek is otherwise pretty standard.
I think Stephen may have been referring to the errant α in παλλάκεις where DDbDP has πολλάκεις.
+1 Yep, it’s a (modern) barbarism.
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Barry Hofstetter
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Re: Weekend Papyrus 6-11-2021

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Stephen Carlson wrote: June 13th, 2021, 5:50 pm
Daniel Semler wrote: June 13th, 2021, 10:31 am
Barry Hofstetter wrote: June 13th, 2021, 7:28 am

I'm not at all sure what you mean. The text is as the manuscript has it. I will call attention to ἐσοῦ, which seems to be by analogy with ἐμοῦ. Normally with σύ the difference is simply with the accent. I don't think I've seen this elsewhere. A bit surprising considering the writer's Greek is otherwise pretty standard.
I think Stephen may have been referring to the errant α in παλλάκεις where DDbDP has πολλάκεις.
+1 Yep, it’s a (modern) barbarism.
Oh, I get it, I see that http://papyri.info/ddbdp/p.oxy;3;531 has πολλάκεις. I'm copying these from the Grenfell and Hunt collection in Logos, and this is either a scanning error or G&F read it differently. I normally check the website, but got distracted this time and didn't do so.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
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