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Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:03 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 1 wrote:ἀκούσας ταῦτα ὁ Κριτόβουλος εἶπε: νῦν τοι, ἔφη, ἐγώ σε οὐκέτι ἀφήσω, ὦ Σώκρατες, πρὶν ἄν μοι ἃ ὑπέσχησαι ἐναντίον τῶν φίλων τουτωνὶ ἀποδείξῃς. τί οὖν, ἔφη ὁ Σωκράτης, ὦ Κριτόβουλε, ἄν σοι ἀποδεικνύω πρῶτον μὲν οἰκίας τοὺς μὲν ἀπὸ πολλοῦ ἀργυρίου ἀχρήστους οἰκοδομοῦντας, τοὺς δὲ ἀπὸ πολὺ ἐλάττονος πάντα ἐχούσας ὅσα δεῖ, ἦ δόξω ἕν τί σοι τοῦτο τῶν οἰκονομικῶν ἔργων ἐπιδεικνύναι;
Hints:
τοι: let me tell you
ὑπέσχησαι: to promise
ἐναντίον: in the presence of
τουτωνὶ: a more emphatic form of τουτων
ἀχρήστους: useless
τοὺς...οἰκοδομοῦντας: the ones who build
ἐλάττονος: less
ἦ δόξω...τουτο...επιδεικνυναι...σοι: I am still not certain I understand this. I have translated this as a future that takes an accusative and then an infinitive. Here the infinitive also takes a dative.
ἐπιδεικνύναι: to show
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:09 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 2 wrote:καὶ πάνυ γ᾽, ἔφη ὁ Κριτόβουλος. τί δ᾽ ἂν τὸ τούτου ἀκόλουθον μετὰ τοῦτό σοι ἐπιδεικνύω, τοὺς μὲν πάνυ πολλὰ καὶ παντοῖα κεκτημένους ἔπιπλα, καὶ τούτοις, ὅταν δέωνται, μὴ ἔχοντας χρῆσθαι μηδὲ εἰδότας εἰ σῶά ἐστιν αὐτοῖς, καὶ διὰ ταῦτα πολλὰ μὲν αὐτοὺς ἀνιωμένους, πολλὰ δὲ ἀνιῶντας τοὺς οἰκέτας: τοὺς δὲ οὐδὲν πλέον ἀλλὰ καὶ μείονα τούτων κεκτημένους ἔχοντας εὐθὺς ἕτοιμα [ὅταν] ὧν ἂν δέωνται χρῆσθαι.
Hints:
τὸ τούτου ἀκόλουθον μετὰ τοῦτό: the thing that follows after this
παντοῖα: various sorts
ἔπιπλα: furniture
δέωνται: they may need
σῶά: safe and sound
ἀνιωμένους: are distressed
ἀνιῶντας: are distressing
ἕτοιμα: ready, prepared
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:17 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 3 wrote:ἄλλο τι οὖν τούτων ἐστίν, ὦ Σώκρατες, αἴτιον ἢ ὅτι τοῖς μὲν ὅπου ἔτυχεν ἕκαστον καταβέβληται, τοῖς δὲ ἐν χώρᾳ ἕκαστα τεταγμένα κεῖται; ναὶ μὰ Δί᾽, ἔφη ὁ Σωκράτης: καὶ οὐδ᾽ ἐν χώρᾳ γ᾽ ἐν ᾗ ἔτυχεν, ἀλλ᾽ ἔνθα προσήκει, ἕκαστα διατέτακται. λέγειν τί μοι δοκεῖς, ἔφη, καὶ τοῦτο, ὁ Κριτόβουλος, τῶν οἰκονομικῶν.
Hints:
ἄλλο τι...ἢ: The part of this phrase before the ellipsis can be used to introduce a question independently with the sense “is it not.” In this case, the whole phrase might be paraphrased “Is the reason for these things anything other than...”
αἴτιον: reason, cause
ἔτυχεν: where it happened to be
καταβέβληται: has been put down
χώρᾳ: in place
τεταγμένα: has been arranged
ἔνθα: where
προσήκει: it belongs
διατέτακται: it has been designated
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:20 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 4 wrote: τί οὖν, ἄν σοι, ἔφη, καὶ οἰκέτας αὖ ἐπιδεικνύω ἔνθα μὲν πάντας ὡς εἰπεῖν δεδεμένους, καὶ τούτους θαμινὰ ἀποδιδράσκοντας, ἔνθα δὲ λελυμένους καὶ ἐθέλοντάς τε ἐργάζεσθαι καὶ παραμένειν, οὐ καὶ τοῦτό σοι δόξω ἀξιοθέατον τῆς οἰκονομίας ἔργον ἐπιδεικνύναι; ναὶ μὰ Δί᾽, ἔφη ὁ Κριτόβουλος, καὶ σφόδρα γε.
Hints:
οἰκέτας: household slaves
αὖ: further, moreover
ἔνθα: there
δεδεμένους: that have been bound
θαμινὰ: confinement?
ἀποδιδράσκοντας: who run away
λελυμένους: who are free
παραμένειν: remain at home
ἀξιοθέατον: worth seeing
σφόδρα: very much
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:23 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 5 wrote: ἂν δὲ καὶ παραπλησίους γεωργίας γεωργοῦντας, τοὺς μὲν ἀπολωλέναι φάσκοντας ὑπὸ γεωργίας καὶ ἀποροῦντας, τοὺς δὲ ἀφθόνως καὶ καλῶς πάντα ἔχοντας ὅσων δέονται ἀπὸ τῆς γεωργίας; ναὶ μὰ Δί᾽, ἔφη ὁ Κριτόβουλος. ἴσως γὰρ ἀναλίσκουσιν οὐκ εἰς ἃ δεῖ μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ εἰς ἃ βλάβην φέρει αὐτῷ καὶ τῷ οἴκῳ.
Hints:
παραπλησίους: the same size
γεωργίας: farms
γεωργοῦντας: farming
ἀπολωλέναι: have been/are destroyed
φάσκοντας: who claim
ἀποροῦντας: are at a loss (Is it terrible that I remember this from GGBB?)
ἀφθόνως: plentiful, abundance
ἴσως: in the same way
ἀναλίσκουσιν: use up, squander
βλάβην: harm
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:26 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 6 wrote: εἰσὶ μέν τινες ἴσως, ἔφη ὁ Σωκράτης, καὶ τοιοῦτοι. ἀλλ᾽ ἐγὼ οὐ τούτους λέγω, ἀλλ᾽ οἳ οὐδ᾽ εἰς τἀναγκαῖα ἔχουσι δαπανᾶν, γεωργεῖν φάσκοντες. καὶ τί ἂν εἴη τούτου αἴτιον, ὦ Σώκρατες; ἐγώ σε ἄξω καὶ ἐπὶ τούτους, ἔφη ὁ Σωκράτης: σὺ δὲ θεώμενος δήπου καταμαθήσῃ. νὴ Δί᾽, ἔφη, ἂν δύνωμαί γε.
Hints:
ἴσως: in the same way
τἀναγκαῖα: necessities
δαπανᾶν: to spend
γεωργεῖν: to farm
φάσκοντες: claiming
αἴτιον: reason, cause
δήπου: perhaps
καταμαθήσῃ: you will understand
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:28 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 7 wrote: οὐκοῦν χρὴ θεώμενον σαυτοῦ ἀποπειρᾶσθαι εἰ γνώσῃ. νῦν δ᾽ ἐγὼ σὲ σύνοιδα ἐπὶ μὲν κωμῳδῶν θέαν καὶ πάνυ πρῲ ἀνιστάμενον καὶ πάνυ μακρὰν ὁδὸν βαδίζοντα καὶ ἐμὲ ἀναπείθοντα προθύμως συνθεᾶσθαι: ἐπὶ δὲ τοιοῦτον οὐδέν με πώποτε ἔργον παρεκάλεσας. οὐκοῦν γελοῖός σοι φαίνομαι εἶναι, ὦ Σώκρατες.
Hints:
χρὴ: it is necessary
ἀποπειρᾶσθαι: to prove
σύνοιδα: I know
κωμῳδῶν: of comedies
θέαν: a viewing, spectacle
ἀνιστάμενον: rose from sleep
βαδίζοντα: walking
ἀναπείθοντα: persuading
προθύμως: eagerly
συνθεᾶσθαι: to view (as in going to view a play)
γελοῖός: laughable, ridiculous
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:30 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 8 wrote: σαυτῷ δὲ πολὺ νὴ Δί᾽, ἔφη, γελοιότερος. ἂν δὲ καὶ ἀφ᾽ ἱππικῆς σοι ἐπιδεικνύω τοὺς μὲν εἰς ἀπορίαν τῶν ἐπιτηδείων ἐληλυθότας, τοὺς δὲ διὰ τὴν ἱππικὴν καὶ πάνυ εὐπόρους ὄντας καὶ ἅμα ἀγαλλομένους ἐπὶ τῷ κέρδει; οὐκοῦν τούτους μὲν καὶ ἐγὼ ὁρῶ καὶ οἶδα ἑκατέρους, καὶ οὐδέν τι μᾶλλον τῶν κερδαινόντων γίγνομαι.
Hints:
γελοιότερος: more laughable, more ridiculous
ἱππικῆς: about horses
ἀπορίαν: poverty
ἐπιτηδείων: of necessities
ἱππικὴν: horseman
εὐπόρους: well off
ἅμα: at the same time
ἀγαλλομένους: are delighted
κέρδει: with profit
ἑκατέρους: each of these
κερδαινόντων: profited from
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:33 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 9 wrote: θεᾷ γὰρ αὐτοὺς ᾗπερ τοὺς τραγῳδούς τε καὶ κωμῳδούς, οὐχ ὅπως ποιητὴς οἴομαι γένῃ, ἀλλ᾽ ὅπως ἡσθῇς ἰδών τι ἢ ἀκούσας: καὶ ταῦτα μὲν ἴσως οὕτως ὀρθῶς ἔχει (οὐ γὰρ ποιητὴς βούλει γενέσθαι), ἱππικῇ δ᾽ ἀναγκαζόμενος χρῆσθαι οὐ μῶρος οἴει εἶναι εἰ μὴ σκοπεῖς ὅπως μὴ ἰδιώτης ἔσει τούτου τοῦ ἔργου, ἄλλως τε καὶ τῶν αὐτῶν ἵππων ἀγαθῶν εἴς τε τὴν χρῆσιν καὶ κερδαλέων εἰς πώλησιν ὄντων;
Hints:
θεᾷ: by viewing
ᾗπερ: in the same way
τραγῳδούς: tragedies
κωμῳδούς: comedies
ποιητὴς: author
οἴομαι: I would think
ἡσθῇς: you might take pleasure
ἴσως: in equal manner
ὀρθῶς: correct
ἱππικῇ: about a horse
ἀναγκαζόμενος: are compelled
μῶρος: stupid
οἴει: I believe this can be determined for the hint above.
σκοπεῖς: you consider
ἰδιώτης: a lay person
ἵππων: of horses
κερδαλέων: profitable
πώλησιν: when they are sold (noun)
Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3
Posted: January 5th, 2015, 1:35 am
by Wes Wood
Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 10 wrote: πωλοδαμνεῖν με κελεύεις, ὦ Σώκρατες; οὐ μὰ Δί᾽ οὐδέν τι μᾶλλον ἢ καὶ γεωργοὺς ἐκ παιδίων ὠνούμενον κατασκευάζειν, ἀλλ᾽ εἶναί τινές μοι δοκοῦσιν ἡλικίαι καὶ ἵππων καὶ ἀνθρώπων, αἳ εὐθύς τε χρήσιμοί εἰσι καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ βέλτιον ἐπιδιδόασιν. ἔχω δ᾽ ἐπιδεῖξαι καὶ γυναιξὶ ταῖς γαμεταῖς τοὺς μὲν οὕτω χρωμένους ὥστε συνεργοὺς ἔχειν αὐτὰς εἰς τὸ συναύξειν τοὺς οἴκους, τοὺς δὲ ᾗ ὅτι πλεῖστον λυμαίνονται.
HInts:
πωλοδαμνεῖν: to tame wild horses
κελεύεις: you urge
γεωργοὺς: farmers
ὠνούμενον: purchase
κατασκευάζειν: to prepare for a task
ἡλικίαι: prime of life
ἵππων: of horses
χρήσιμοί: useful
ἐπιδιδόασιν: they produce in addition to
γαμεταῖς: γαμέτης- husband
χρωμένους: consulting
συναύξειν: to increase with others
πλεῖστον: greatest
λυμαίνονται: they cause ruin