Ok, what about grape juice (not OINOS)

Ben Crick ben.crick at argonet.co.uk
Mon Jun 12 20:14:54 EDT 2000


On Mon 12 Jun 2000 (23:19:12), emory2002 at hotmail.com wrote:
> What would we call OINOS if it were squeezed on Monday and sipped on 
> Tuesday, before it had time to ferment to any significant alcoholic
> level?  Obviously, OINOS had to "start off" non-alcoholic.

 Dear Mark,

 The Temperance Movement have never forgiven Jesus for turning SO MUCH water
 into wine, after they had all "well drunk"!

 If you look at Pharaoh's butler's dream, and Joseph's interpretation of it,
 in the LXX, you will see that the butler actually squeezed the fresh grape
 juice into Pharaoh's cup.

 ... KAI TO POTHRION FARAW EN THi CEIRI MOU: KAI ELABON THN STAFULHN, KAI
 EXEFLIYA AUTHN EIS TO POTHRION, KAI EDWKA TO POTHRION EIS THN CEIRA FARAW.
 (Exodus 40:11 LXX).

 Unfortunately, it doesn't use any word for "juice".  8-(
 But it testifies to the use of freshly squeezed grape juice as a beverage.

 Better luck with Song 8:2 LXX.   8-)
 PARALHYOMAI SE, EISAXW SE EIS OIKON MHTROS MOU KAI EIS TAMEION THS
 SULLABOUSHS ME: POTIW SE APO *OINOU TOU MUREYIKOU* APO *NAMATOS hROWN MOU*.
                               ^^^^^                     ^^^^^^^
 Ignoring "Syllabub" which in English is a mixture of cream, wine and sugar
 (another example of the "etymological fallacy"): here OINOS TOU MUREYIKOU   
 could well be alcoholic spiced wine ("wine with myrrh"). I can't quite figure
 NAMATOS; is that from NAMOUS?  My BAGD is only valid for the GNT, not the LXX.
 Anyway, it seems to mean juice of pomegranates (Hebrew, Me`a:SiYS RiMoNiY).
 It's better to remove the pips before eating your pomegranate!

 So NAMOUS, NAMATOS is just juice; OINOS, OINOU is fermented wine?

 IMHO that is.

 ERRWSQE
 Ben
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