[B-Greek] hISTHMI in Rom 3:31
Arie Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Sat Mar 20 10:51:08 EST 2004
Perhaps can "vindicate" do?
English is not my first foreign language. So I cannot judge the matter
properly.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
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Van: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
Aan: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>; "Eddie Mishoe"
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Verzonden: zaterdag 20 maart 2004 15:18
Onderwerp: RE: [B-Greek] hISTHMI in Rom 3:31
> I'd like to follow up a bit on the present tense of hISTHMI in this
passage.
>
> > >And then I should give Rom. 3,31 for discussion purposes:
> > >
> > >NOMON OUN KATARGOUMEN DIA THS PISTEWS; MH GENOITO, ALLA NOMON
hISTANOMEN.
>
> <snip>
>
> > >Additionally, the sense of hISTHMI in this Romans passage is quite
> > >different from the perfect tense hISTHMI when used of "standing." In
> > >Romans 3,31, the lexical sense of hISTHMI seems to be "to
> > uphold," not the sense of "to stand." Could this account for the present
> tense usage in
> > >Rom. 3,31?
>
> [Carl:]
> > --the present active hISTHMI (= hISTANW) means "I cause to stand"
>
> I really don't think that the common renderings "uphold" or "establish"
> accurately convey the meaning of hISTANOMEN in Rom 3:31, but I have not
been
> able to find a single word in English that catches the meaning well.
>
> One option is "we cause the law to stand" or "we make the law stand" which
> would have to be understood in context, and especially as the opposite of
> KATARGEW (abolish, set aside, make an end to). Why is there no English
> version that does this?
>
> There are no other examples of the present tense of hISTHMI in the GNT and
I
> do not have good search programs for the LXX and other Greek literature. I
> did find an example in Ez 17:14 where hISTANEIN AUTHN (Hebrew 'MD) refers
to
> making the kingdom stand, i.e. causing it to continue to be in existence.
> (NIV says "survive", NCV "continue" and KJV, (N)RSV "it might stand"
whereas
> a few versions like GNB and REB connected the verb with the wrong object,
> probably because of the idea of "upholding" the law in Rom 3:31.)
>
> So, is it reasonable to suggest that "we make the law stand" in Rom 3:31
> refers to its continuing existence or survival without specifying the
> relationship between the law and the believer. Paul does say much more
about
> that in e.g. 8:4 and 13:8-10.
>
> One translation option is to make the meaning more explicit by bringing
some
> of the wider context to bear on the exegesis and translation as the
> following idiomatic versions do:
> NLT: only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
> NCV: Faith causes us to be what the law truly wants.
> JBP: We put the Law in its proper place.
>
> Any other suggestions for how to catch the meaning in English? In Danish
it
> is impossible to say "make the law stand", so we tried "we put the law in
> its proper place" following J.B. Phillips. But I cannot say that I am
> totally satisfied with it.
>
> Iver Larsen
>
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