[B-Greek] GLWSSA
waldo slusher
waldoslusher at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 24 21:54:50 EST 2004
Mitch:
You can generally translate GLWSSA "language." The theological discussion that could ensue from this is on WHAT KIND of language is being referenced. But you can do away with "tongue" and "tongues" and use the modern words "language" and "languages." Nothing is gain or lost if we do away with "gift of tongues" and translate it "gift of languages." (We just now have to be more specific; angelic language, human language, unintelligible language, etc.) There is no linguistic reason to suggest that by definition a "language" has to be intelligible (French is unintelligible to me).
Waldo
Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com> wrote:
To all:
I apologize for posting this unclear question. I was
not wanting to discuss the "gift of" GLWSSA or
anything theological. I was more just trying to
understand why modern translations still translate
GLWSSA as "tongue" when it has the general meaning of
a "language" (either of people or angels).
Mitch Larramore
--- "Carl W. Conrad"
wrote:
> At 2:55 PM -0800 3/24/04, Mitch Larramore wrote:
> >In 1 Corinthians this word appears in places where
> you
> >would expect the English translation "language." I
> >know American Indians use to refer to the "white
> man's
> >tongue," and I guess they used tongue for languages
> in
> >1611, but why has it not been updated to language
> in
> >modern translations?
>
> Mitch, I'm not sure whether you're really asking a
> lexicographical question
> or a translation question. But this is not so simply
> a question that you
> throw up for grabs; you really need to consult BDAG
> and L&N; the last
> go-round that we had on the meanings of this word in
> 1 Cor 12-14 pretty
> clearly revealed that there are two or three very
> distinct understandings
> of the meaning of GLWSSHi LALEIN. I think that you
> ought to consult
> standard reference works before putting a question
> like this. Certainly it
> means "speech/talking/speaking"--but in some texts
> it means intelligible
> human language and in others it means speech that is
> not intelligible to
> others as such but needs an interpreter.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University
> (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
> 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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