[B-Greek] Acts 16,3 FOLLOW UP
Arie Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Tue Mar 30 04:46:02 EST 2004
I think we have as parallels e.g. Dan 4: 30 hAUTH ESTI BABULWN hH MEGALH,
hHN EGW (!!!!) WiKODOMHSA and the custom of Roman magistrates to note on
milestones that they built the road.
I do not think those verbs have in se the possibility to be causative, but
that it is a common way (obviously in more than one language) to denote that
a person with responsability decided to build, to circumcise etc. and let
others do the job.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
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Van: "Eddie Mishoe" <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
Aan: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
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Verzonden: dinsdag 30 maart 2004 4:43
Onderwerp: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 16,3 FOLLOW UP
> Dr. Conrad:
>
> Parsons/Culy do not seem to approve of Wallace's
> syntactical category "causative active," (here?)
> although they are in agreement that Paul did not
> actually perform the circumcision.
>
> Given that it is not uncommon for active verbs to bear
> a causative sense, is there anything grammatically
> speaking in this text that leads you to see a
> causative sense? (My assumption is that a causative
> sense is seen here by most commentators due to the
> assumed awkwardness of Paul, rather than a physician
> or Timothy himself, circumcising Timothy.)
>
> Eddie Mishoe
>
> --- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
> wrote:
> > At 4:40 PM -0800 3/29/04, Eddie Mishoe wrote:
> > >TOUTON HQELHSEN hO PAULOS SUN AUTWi EXELQEIN, KAI
> > >LABWN PERIETEMEN AUTON DIA TOUS IOUDAIOUS.....
> > >
> > >The NET Bible questions whether or not Paul
> > actually
> > >performed the circumcision on Timothy, whereas
> > >Parsons/Culy seem sure Paul did not do it. What am
> > I
> > >overlooking here that would lead one to see someone
> > >other than Paul performing the circumcision on
> > >Timothy, especially in light of PERIETEMEN AUTON?
> >
> > It's not at all uncommon for an active verb form to
> > bear the sense of
> > CAUSING an action to be performed without
> > necessarily performing it
> > oneself. Similarly a middle voice may carry the
> > sense of having an action
> > performed on one's own behalf without necessarily
> > performing the action
> > oneself.
> >
> > You might look at Wallace GGBB "B. Causative Active
> > (a.k.a. Ergative
> > Active)" pp. 411f. Cf. Smyth §1711 "Causative
> > Active."
> > --
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University
> > (Emeritus)
> > 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
> > 675-4243
> > cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> > WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
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