[B-Greek] Re: 2nd aorsit of ERCHOMAI FOLLOW UP

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 31 11:15:06 EST 2004


Carl:

Are you saying the so called deponent verbs are only
remain deponent in a given root? And, are you saying,
if a verb has multiple roots, one root (of verb X) may
exhibit "deponent" characteristics while other roots
(of verb X) are not at all deponent?

Eddie Mishoe

--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
wrote:
> At 10:37 AM -0500 3/31/04, Paul Evans wrote:
> >B-GREEKERS,
> >
> >
> >
> >I am doing some elementary exercises in a Greek
> course.  The study guide
> >calls on me to parse the 2nd aorist of ERCHOMAI. 
> The form given is
> >ELQETE.  Surely if ERCHOMAI is deponent (sorry
> Carl) it doesn't take
> >active forms?  What am I missing here?  I know the
> answer is liable to
> >be simple and I have missed something elementary,
> but right now I can't
> >see the wood for the trees.
> 
> ELQETE must be 2nd pl. aor. active imperative.
> 
> The verb ERCOMAI (whether or not you continue to
> call it "deponent" in
> deference to the heavy weight of tradition ;-) ) has
> only a present-tense
> system (present and imperfect) based on the root
> ERC-; the other tenses are
> SUPPLIED by what is a different root:
> ELEUQ/ELOUQ/EL(U)Q: the aorist is a
> second-aorist HLQON (Homeric was HLUQON, but the U
> syncopated out long
> ago); the future is ELEUSOMAI (ELEUQ-S-OMAI--it's
> middle because, like many
> other verbs that have "active" forms in the present
> and aorist, the
> intentionality of the future expresses itself in the
> subject-affected
> middle voice: cf. BAINW/BHSOMAI, MANQANW/MAQHSOMAI);
> the perfect is ELHLUQA
> (older ELHLOUQA--with "Attic reduplication" of the
> O-stem form of the root
> ELOUQ-).
> 
> There are other verbs too that have "supplied" or
> "suppletive" forms in
> different tenses from different roots: ESQIW with
> future FAGOMAI, aorist
> EFAGON; FERW with future OISW, aorist HNEGKA--so
> that this verb is built on
> three different roots; and there are others as well.
> -- 
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University
> (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
> 675-4243
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> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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