[B-Greek] Diagramming Mt 4:24 Mt

Oun Kwon kwonbbl at gmail.com
Fri Sep 5 22:02:43 EDT 2008


On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
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> Sent: 5. september 2008 02:19
> Subject: [B-Greek] Diagramming Mt 4:24 Mt
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>

>
> I would say that you are on the right track, except to take the participles
> as "objects" of ECW. The passage has three coordinated main clauses and 5
> subordinated clauses.
> As Carl has mentioned ECEIN KAKWS is a Greek idiom "to have it in a bad way"
> for being ill or having troubles. Other related languages may have a similar
> idiom. When people in English say "How are you?" we say in Danish "How do
> you have it?" Others may say "How do you feel?"
> I would therefore consider PANTAS TOUS KAKWS ECONTAS as a complete noun
> phrase with an embedded clause.
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> Iver

Thanks Iver and Carl.

I agree with Iver to take PANTAS TOUS KAKWS ECONTAS as a complete noun
phrase. Perhaps, that's why I put a quotation mark on 'objects'.

If I put it in diagrams again, this seems how Carl saw it:

(B)    KAI PROSHNEGKAN AUTW
                         PANTAS TOUS
(B0)            KAKWS ECONTAS POIKILAIS NOSOIS
(B1)            KAI BASANOIS SUNECOMENOUS
(B2)            [KAI] DAIMONIZOMENOUS
(B3)            KAI SELHNIAZOMENOUS
(B4)            KAI PARALUTIKOUS

Compared how I see: I believe that's how Iver saw it too.

(B)    KAI PROSHNEGKAN AUTW
                            PANTAS TOUS KAKWS ECONTAS
(B1)            POIKILAIS NOSOIS KAI BASANOIS SUNECOMENOUS
(B2)            [KAI] DAIMONIZOMENOUS
(B3)            KAI SELHNIAZOMENOUS
(B4)            KAI PARALUTIKOUS

All these (B1) to (B4) are the examples (details) of  PANTAS TOUS
KAKWS ECONTAS.
It seems to me the choice is to be made from the context since the
grammar and syntax do not help much here.

This is what looks like in most English translations:

(B)    KAI PROSHNEGKAN AUTW
                                  PANTAS TOUS
(B0)            KAKWS ECONTAS
(B1)            POIKILAIS NOSOIS KAI BASANOIS SUNECOMENOUS
(B2)            [KAI] DAIMONIZOMENOUS
(B3)            KAI SELHNIAZOMENOUS
(B4)            KAI PARALUTIKOUS

I would buy the last one the way the conventional translations see it
if (B0) read 'KAI POIKILAIS NOSOIS ....'

Oun.



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