[B-Greek] NIKWN in Rev

Beata Urbanek beata.urbanek at op.pl
Thu Sep 11 03:37:33 EDT 2008


Elizabeth,

my question about the extra-biblical occurence of the word concerned the 
noun NIKHTWR, not the verb NIKAW. I'm wondering if one would call a 
winner/victor NIKHTWR or rather NIKWN.

Beata Urbanek

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] NIKWN in Rev


>
> On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:44 AM, Beata Urbanek wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know if the participle NIKWN used e.g. in the letters to
>> the seven churches in Rev is a typical word to call a winner?
>
> Yes, but as George has noted the theology of the cross makes it
> countercultural both then and now. Which is why Paul called it
> foolishness to the Greeks. The use in the Apocalypse should be
> compared to the use in John's Gospel and Epistles  (John 16:33 1John
> 2:13 1John 2:14 1John 4:4 1John 5:4 1John 5:5).
>
>> . Was it used often outside the Bible?
>
> It is very common in extra-biblical greek. The Johannine use of NIKAW
> is somewhat different in that the notion of prevailing against the
> KOSMOS found in John 16:33 has a sort of finality about it that isn't
> often found in pagan texts. Agamemnon returns from Troy a
> 'victor' (Aesch. Ag. 854, 941-42) but the word certainly has a ring of
> irony about it in this context.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
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