[B-Greek] Greek NT audio
John Wilking
jcwilking at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 21 07:42:55 EDT 2008
An old Prof of mine, Robert J. DiPietro wrote a book called Strategic Interaction in which he utilized situations in which a person needed to communicate in the TL. He found need and want to be crucial elements of language learning.
John C. Wilking
--- On Sat, 9/20/08, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek NT audio
> To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
> Cc: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:02 PM
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Mark Lightman
> <lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > I too thank you for the post. To me the eta sounds
> like a short English e
> > as in pet. Randall would know better but I'm not
> sure there is any evidence
> > for eta being pronounced thus, and it is pretty
> distracting.
>
> There is evidence for HTA being pronounced as a long-timed
> version of
> 'e' in pet in the fifth century BCE. But the guy
> was not reading
> long-vowels and short vowels. So it is just accidental. And
> certainly
> not KOINH. And Pennington is not KOINH either.
>
> > . . .
> > If Randall is advising us to wait until we have more
> perfect NT Greek to
> > listen to I suspect we will be waiting a while.
>
> There are well-read materials available, though they cost
> money.
>
> > . . .
> > I know about the studies that stress the importance of
> audio
> > learning, but in my case I suspect that all my
> listening has not really
> > improved my Greek much.
>
> This may reflect a common misinterpretation of what is
> being stated in second
> language acquisition studies. It is COMMUNICATION in the
> language that
> counts. USING the language. While passive listening to
> readings is certainly
> of benefit, it will not produce internalization on its own.
> There is a sense in
> which may not be interesting enough (routine/repeated), and
> another sense in
> which it is usually not fully comprehensible. (We have some
> tricks for dealing
> with the last point.)
>
> Many students assume that listening to recordings of a
> scripture passage is
> 'audio learning' and that if they "do their
> grammar book" and listen
> to the scripture
> passages, then they are doing everything required for
> success. From a
> communicative language theory approach, they may not even
> have started.
> Or have only partially started in an optimistic reading.
> Communication means just that, trying to communicate
> something in the
> language, both directions, and orally/audio in the
> beginning at least. That
> will start to put the language inside someone.
>
> ERRWSQE
> IWANHS
>
>
>
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