[B-Greek] A question on the Greek mass
Leonard Isaksson
leonardo1orchardcity at mac.com
Tue Sep 30 21:09:02 EDT 2008
Thank you for your help here. Yes, I would like to get the memorial
service, as you have called it Mnimosinon.
I wish to thank all of you folks who have entered information here for
me. It is kind of you to offer your help. It is very busy here with
our family business and with preparations for a funeral service, and so
I have just a little time to look at these things. In the night hours
I may be able to, and thank you for this particular link.
Leonard Isaksson
On Sep 30, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Ivan Moody wrote:
> It seems to me that what Mr Isaksson is looking for is in fact the
> Mnimosinon (memorial service), rather than the Eucharistic Liturgy.
> Many
> Greek liturgical texts are online, and there is a fairly complete
> listing on
> the "Orthodox Liturgical Links" page of my site, www.ivanmoody.co.uk.
> If
> anything else is needed, or if this is off-topic, please feel free to
> contact me at ivanmoody @ gmail.com
> .
>
> Fr Ivan Moody
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> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:21:30 -0700
> From: "+Fr Patrick B O'Grady" <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] A question on the Greek mass
> To: "Leonard Isaksson" <leonardo1orchardcity at mac.com>,
> b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> As a teacher of Greek and an Orthodox Christian priest I offer some
> info
> here, as may be useful to the one who inquired about prayer for the
> dead
> and to all who use this site. If you want some further clarification,
> you can contact me off-site <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm> Since I am
> rather new to this list, please forgive any unintentional violation of
> the list's mode of the transcription of Greek words into Roman letters.
> I promise to study it carefully!
> 1. First of all, the Orthodox Church celebrates the Divine Liturgy
> ("mass" is a nickname employed from the dismissal of the catechumens
> which, being derived from Latin, "missa est" [=the service of the
> catechumens is dismissed] has never been used by Orthodox) for all, the
> living and the dead, as one universal expression of the offering of
> Christ once and for all (ephapax).
> 2. There are prayers in the anaphora (eucharist) for both the living
> and
> the dead. There, actual names of the deceased can be inserted, and the
> deacon who serves, reads the names of the living and the dead
> (diptycha)
> while the priest says the commemorations of the anaphora.
> 3. The text of the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, the most
> common
> Orthodox liturgy, can be found on the net, in many sites. Simply Google
> the Liturgy of Chrysostom.
> 4. The Liturgy of St John Chrysostom stems from about the year 390
> C.E.,
> in kernel form, as a pastorally abbreviated form of the ancient
> Antiochene liturgy, which, in turn, came from Jerusalem. Chrystostom
> was
> actually a deacon and then presbyter in Antioch before he was taken to
> Constantinople. So, leaving aside the finer points of liturgical
> development, this liturgy is roughly 16 centuries old. Of course,
> certain (Roman) imperial acclamations, etc., embellish this ancient
> apostolic liturgy. The Liturgy of St James, its predecessor, is much
> older, as is the Liturgy of St Basil, the dominant liturgy of that time
> (now served ten times a year, mostly during Great Lent).
> 5. BTW, the language of the Divine Liturgy is basically Koine, with
> certain classicisms. The Greek Orthodox have steadfastly resisted any
> attempt to use modern Greek (nea ellinika).
> In behalf of your father, as we say in Greek, Mnestheti Kyrios o Theos
> afton en ti Basilia aftou!
> Fr Patrick B. O'Grady
>
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:03:39 -0500, "Leonard Isaksson"
> <leonardo1orchardcity at mac.com> said:
>> Hello there,
>>
>> I am wondering about the Greek mass for a funeral. I have read, so
>> well as I am able, the Requiem Mass in Latin, and was struck by the
>> 'Dies Irae'.
>>
>> Now I am wondering whether anyone has the text of the Greek mass, or
>> if
>> that extends back far enough that it would be considered a part of the
>> Greek on this site. I would think so.
>>
>> My father just died. Upon the death of my mother, while I am
>> Protestant, and not Roman Catholic, I did employ the introit and part
>> of the sequence, the Dies Irae. So powerful a statement. The RC
>> folks
>> who were there, followed the introit after hearing it in Latin.
>>
>> Now I am wondering about the Greek service. I do not speak modern
>> Greek, and any Koine pronunciation, while I greatly admire the work
>> that Mr. Buth has done, I would stumble over. But I would like to
>> know
>> where one may find the text of the Greek service, since so far as I
>> gather, it must date back to the mediaeval Greek church.
>>
>> I hope this is the right place to ask this.
>>
>> Leonard Isaksson
>>
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