[B-Greek] 1 John 4:2
Elizabeth Kline
kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Thu Mar 4 15:43:26 EST 2010
On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Womble Singer wrote:
> It has been pointed out to me that 1 John 4:2 has "erchomi" in the perfect
> and that Greek perfect implies not only completion but also ongoing acton:
>
> 1 John 4:2 εν τουτω γινωσκετε το πνευμα του θεου παν πνευμα ο ομολογει
> ιησουν χριστον εν σαρκι εληλυθοτα εκ του θεου εστιν
>
> Does the ongoing quality of Christ's (first) coming encompass how he came
> (in the flesh) or is it restricted to the fact that he came as being
> something that will never change?
>
> Or are we saying that in the past Jesus came and continued to be present for
> some time?
1John 4:1 Ἀγαπητοί, μὴ παντὶ πνεύματι πιστεύετε ἀλλὰ δοκιμάζετε τὰ πνεύματα εἰ ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν, ὅτι πολλοὶ ψευδοπροφῆται ἐξεληλύθασιν εἰς τὸν κόσμον. 2 ἐν τούτῳ γινώσκετε τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ θεοῦ· πᾶν πνεῦμα ὃ ὁμολογεῖ Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν, 3 καὶ πᾶν πνεῦμα ὃ μὴ ὁμολογεῖ τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ οὐκ ἔστιν· καὶ τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ τοῦ ἀντιχρίστου, ὃ ἀκηκόατε ὅτι ἔρχεται, καὶ νῦν ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ἐστὶν ἤδη.
2John 7 Ὅτι πολλοὶ πλάνοι ἐξῆλθον εἰς τὸν κόσμον, οἱ μὴ ὁμολογοῦντες Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί· οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ πλάνος καὶ ὁ ἀντίχριστος.
1John 4:1 AGAPHTOI, MH PANTI PNEUMATI PISTEUETE ALLA DOKIMAZETE TA PNEUMATA EI EK TOU QEOU ESTIN, hOTI POLLOI YEUDOPROFHTAI EXELHLUQASIN EIS TON KOSMON. 2 EN TOUTWi GINWSKETE TO PNEUMA TOU QEOU· PAN PNEUMA hO hOMOLOGEI IHSOUN CRISTON EN SARKI ELHLUQOTA EK TOU QEOU ESTIN, 3 KAI PAN PNEUMA hO MH hOMOLOGEI TON IHSOUN EK TOU QEOU OUK ESTIN· KAI TOUTO ESTIN TO TOU ANTICRISTOU, hO AKHKOATE hOTI ERCETAI, KAI NUN EN TWi KOSMWi ESTIN HDH.
2John 7 hOTI POLLOI PLANOI EXHLQON EIS TON KOSMON, hOI MH hOMOLOGOUNTES IHSOUN CRISTON ERCOMENON EN SARKI· hOUTOS ESTIN hO PLANOS KAI hO ANTICRISTOS.
I noticed that J.R.W. Stott, (1,2,3 Jn, Tynd.Com.) tries to get some Christological milage out of the perfect ELHLUQOTA in 1 John 4:2. What ever we affirm about the perfect ELHLUQOTA should also be affirmed concerning EXELHLUQASIN in 4:1. John is confessing hOTI POLLOI YEUDOPROFHTAI EXELHLUQASIN EIS TON KOSMON.
Elizabeth Kline
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