[B-Greek] Aorist M/P (or M and P) Finites and Participles
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 8 14:22:04 EST 2010
Hi, Cornell,
You asked:
<So, the Aorist Middle (ELUSAMHN...) and the Aorist Passive
(ELUQHN...) should BOTH be understood as being Middle-Passive
until other grammatical/contextual features have been analyzed. Is this correct?>
Yes, I think this is correct. Wait, let me rephrase that. Yes.
<If the above is correct, then what are the main grammatical
signals we should be on the lookout for as we seek to determine
whether or not a usage is Middle or Passive, since form alone
does not provide that data?>
Top Four Answers to This Question:
4. Context.
3. Context.
2. Context
And the Number One Answer to This Question:
1. Context.
Carl wrote:
<Generalizations are of minimal value here.>
I think in general this is true. But generally one should
not generalize about generalizations. One generalization
which I think has just a little more than minimal value is
the Lightman rule of Medio-Passivity. This states that
whenever you see either a MAI/MHN or a QHN form, try to take if first as a Middle,
and only construe it as a Passive if you have to. I could
give you reasons behind this rule and examples which show
why it is such a great rule, but the problem with generalizations is
that the more you try to explain them and give examples, the
more likely the generalization will be shown to be false or at
least of minimal value.
Just give the Lightman Rule of Medio-Passivity a try for
for yourself as you read the Greek NT. Then let usknow what you think of it.
Mark L
Φωσφορος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Cornell Machiavelli <cornellmachiavelli at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cornell Machiavelli <cornellmachiavelli at yahoo.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Aorist M/P (or M and P) Finites and Participles
To: "B- Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 7:17 AM
After reading some of the older posts, I wanted to make sure I'm understanding something.
This is mostly argued by Dr. Carl Conrad. It has to do with the Middles and Passives that are better perceived as Middle-Passive verbs/participles.
So, the Aorist Middle (ELUSAMHN...) and the Aorist Passive (ELUQHN...) should BOTH be understood as being Middle-Passive until other grammatical/contextual features have been analyzed. Is this correct?
This next question is the same as the above, but deals with the participles - (LUSAMENOS...) and (LUQEIS). BOTH of these 'forms' should be understood as Middle-Passive until other grammatical features clarify whether or not it is meant as a Middle or a Passive. Is this correct?
If the above is correct, then what are the main grammatical signals we should be on the lookout for as we seek to determine whether or not a usage is Middle or Passive, since form alone does not provide that data?
Sincerely,
C. Q. Machiavelli
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