[B-Greek] question

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 9 07:08:17 EST 2010


Ray Marion wrote:

> Hebrews 1:6 has the word "oikoumevnv", I would translate this word as home
> or house. Does anyone agree. Please reply.
> Written by: Ray

Text: Heb. 1:6 ὅταν δὲ πάλιν εἰσαγάγῃ τὸν πρωτότοκον εἰς τὴν οἰκουμένην, λέγει·
    καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ. 
[hOTAN DE PALIN EISAGAGHi TON PRWTOTOKON EIS THN OIKOUMENHN, LEGEI·
    KAI PROSKUNHSATWSAN AUTWi PANTES AGGELOI QEOU. ]
 
Hi, Ray,

"Agree" might be too strong a word, but I don't disagree.
Both the word OIKOS and OIKIA really mean that which is
OIKE-ed, TO OIKOUMEN, the lived in (sc place.) OIKOS (114)
and OIKIA (93) are used interchangeably in the Greek NT, but
I have noticed when we e-mail each other in Greek, we tend
to use OIKIA for the physical building wherein one dwells and
OIKOS for "family," those you dwell with.  Not sure if this is
right or not, but that's what we do.  Hebrew has one word
for both, "Beth,' as in "Beth Israel," the first "house" where I
ever lived, i.e. an excellent hospital in Boston.  Here my
mother "led me, her PRWTOTOKOS, into the OIKOUMENHN,"
as she never tires of telling me.
 
My kids have an idiom.  When I come inside after working
in the yard, they say "We got Dad in the house!"  I think
this is what the author of Hebrews means.  "Jesus is in
the house."  So, I like your translation.
 
I'm not sure if THN OUKOUMENHN is middle, passive, or
stative.  When people see my OIKIA, with the crayon stains
on the walls and furniture that has not been replaced since
the mid sixties, they say Lightman, OIKIA SOU OUKOUMENH
ESTIN.  "Your house has that real "lived in" look.  I don't 
disagree with how you render THN OIKOUMENHN here.
 
They are doing the Census now in my neighborhood.  The guy
knocks on my door with a clip board.  hOUTOS OIKOS SOU?
OIKEIS WDE?  "Is this your house?  Do you live here?"  "Well,
I say,"if you can call this "living..." 
 
After God created the GH but before he created the first family,
the earth was an OIKIA but not an OIKOS.  Now that Jesus
is here, according to the author of Hebrews, it really is an OIKOS and
an OIKOUMENH, really "lived in" by God himself.  The Spanish put it well
"Mi casa su casa."  His house is now our house.
 
So, I like your translation very much, Ray.  I guess I do agree. 
 
Mark L.
Φωσφορος
 
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: ray marion <marionray777 at gmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] question
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 12:33 AM


Hebrews 1:6 has the word "oikoumevnv", I would translate this word as home
or house. Does anyone agree. Please reply.
Written by: Ray
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