[B-Greek] Ephesians 1:22

Michael Aubrey mga318 at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 9 16:24:46 EST 2010


Indeed, I could intuit that, but I'd also intuit that the *reason* the author didn't actually write it until the following clause was to prevent a recipient interpretation of the phrase for DIDWMI.

I'm perfectly willing to accept a benefactive interpretation of Eph 1.22. I simply haven't seen any evidence for it (and I spent a good chunk of last year obsessing over ditransitive clauses and DIDWMI in particular). What I've seen here (any in the twenty or so commentaries I've read on this verse is a lot of word-level exegesis that ignores the semantics of the clause. The dative can be benefactive. Even without a quote from Moulton I never would have questioned that (well, that and I read Moulton last year). What I do question is whether it can function as a benefactive when used with an accusative in a ditransitive clause  headed by DIDWMI.

	1. (a) Transference, Active, Ditransitive (Agent, Theme, Goal+dat), give
(b) Transference, Active, Ditransitive (Agent, Theme, [Locative+P]), give/put/appoint
	2. Effect, Active, Transitive (Agent, Patient), give forth, produce
	3. Delegation, Active, ditransitive (Agent, Event+ἵνα, Goal)give, 
delegate/appoint
	4. Disposition, Active, Ditransitive (Agent, Patient, Event) make, 
dispose

Adapted from Paul Danove, Verbs of Transference, 185 (glosses are my own -- Danove never actually uses "appoint").The semantics of a given phrase must be determined by the syntax & grammatical relations of its clause. Anything else is rather subjective and leans more a translation (i.e. our first languages) rather than on Greek.

Mike Aubrey
http://evepheso.wordpress.com




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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:24:45 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 1:22


In the following verse -- can't you intuit that :-)?   Sorry about cutting it off too early.
 
καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα ἔδωκεν κριτὰς ἕως Σαμουὴλ [τοῦ]προφήτου. 21κἀκεῖθεν ᾐτήσαντο βασιλέα καὶ ἔδωκεν αὐτοῖς ὁ θεὸς τὸν Σαοὺλ υἱὸν Κίς, ἄνδρα ἐκ φυλῆς Βενιαμίν, ἔτη τεσσεράκοντα,KAI META TAUTA EDWKEN KRITAS hEWS SAMOUHL [TOU] PROFHTOU.  21 KAKEIQEN HiTHSANTO BASILEA KAI EDWKEN AUTOIS hO QEOS TON SAOUL hUION KIS, ANDRA EK FULHS BENIAMIN, ETH TESSERADONTA.
 george
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 From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 1:22


Where's the dative?

Mike Aubrey



      


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