[B-Greek] A Perfect Imperfect (Was Hebrews 1:6 and 2:5

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed Mar 10 16:32:31 EST 2010


On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Richard Lindeman wrote:
> Carl:
> 
> As far as Greek matters go I am certainly far more inclined to trust your
> judgment above  my own. However, before throwing out my suggestion of an
> iterative imperfect entirely... Let me ask this question:
> 
> If one were to translate it into Greek, what might be the proper way of
> saying:  "I was never a prophet or the son of a prophet but I was always a
> herdsman and a dresser of figs." ?

Well, I think that for HMHN I might substitute OUDEPOTE EGENOMHN,
and then add an AEI to the second HMHN:

OUDEPOTE EGENOMHN PROFHTHS EGW OUDE hUIOS PROFHTOU,
ALL'  H AIPOLOS HMHN  AEI KAI KNIZWN SUKAMINA

> 
> On 3/10/10 2:51 PM, "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Richard Lindeman wrote:
>>> Perhaps HMHN + a noun designating position of office gives to us the
>>> effective equivalent of a performance verb?
>> 
>> I doubt it; I think one might then rather expect the typical
>> Greek nominal verbs such as PROFHTEUW -- EPROFHTEUON.
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:39 PM
>>> To: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; "Richard Lindeman" <oblchurch at msn.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] A Perfect Imperfect (Was Hebrews 1:6 and 2:5
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 10, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Mark Lightman wrote:
>>>>> Richard wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <How about an iterative imperfect?
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I have never been a prophet or the son of a prophet,
>>>>> but I have always been
>>>>> a herdsman and a dresser of figs.">
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Richard,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, that sounds good to me.  My only question would
>>>>> be, do you think the text means to indicate one way or
>>>>> the other whether he is NOW a prophet?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> OUK HMHN PROFHTHS EGW OUDE hUIOS PROFHTOU,
>>>>>> ALL? H AIPOLOS HMHN KAI KNIZWN SUKAMINA
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> "I didn't used to be a prophet, nor the son of a prophet.
>>>>>> Rather I was wont to be a herdsman and dresser of figs."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Just as a matter of definition, can a stative be iterative? I would have
>>>> thought that an iterative would be a verb of performance of some sort.
>>>> 
>>>> Carl W. Conrad
>>>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>> 
> 
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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