[B-Greek] OFFLIST 1Cor. 15:50 SARX KAI hAIMA, 1 Jn 4:2 SARKI
Yancy Smith
yancywsmith at sbcglobal.net
Fri Mar 12 14:22:54 EST 2010
SARX, PISTIS, CARIS, PNEUMA are such loaded terms in Paul. Paul uses these and other terms in a highly contextual key terms in an ad hoc manner in his pastoral rhetoric. I have no doubt that Paul's use of the terms shares semantic features with John's use in 1 John 4:2, but I would not say the lexical meaning of the term is any different in these contexts. Paul qualifies what he means in 15:50 as ἡ φθορὰ. Why couldn't John mean Χριστὸν ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα = EN SARKI TWi FQORWi?
Yancy
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl Conrad
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] OFFLIST 1Cor. 15:50 SARX KAI hAIMA, 1 Jn 4:2 SARKI
On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
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> On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:
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>> But the QUESTION that was raised initially was whether the word SARX has the same meaning in two particular texts, 1 Cor 15:50 and 1 John 4:2.
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> I don't understand the OFFLIST issue, the question is about the meaning of a word and a phrase in NT greek. Couldn't be more on topic for b-greek. If we have now decided that we cannot discuss what a word means then what on earth can we talk about on b-greek?
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> A discussion of NT language the prohibits talk about meaning is certainly going to prohibit virtually everything.
Elizabeth, that's not the point. I intended this particular message to go to Vasileios Tsialos, not to the list. I don't dispute at all that it's an appropriate topic for list discussion. I will add, however, that I'm not sure that we can safely extrapolate from Paul's usage in 1 Cor 15:50 that Paul is using SARX in exactly the same sense as the word is being used in 1 John 4:2.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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