[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 22 21:53:50 EDT 2010


The one I always think of is Jn 17.12
ὅτε ἤμην μετʼ αὐτῶν ἐγὼ ἐτήρουν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί σου ᾧ δέδωκάς μοι, καὶ ἐφύλαξα, καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐξ αὐτῶν ἀπώλετο εἰ μὴ ὁ υἱὸς τῆς ἀπωλείας, ἵνα ἡ γραφὴ πληρωθῇ. 

 george
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From: walt seevers <lws39 at juno.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:04:35 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3

Mark 3:17
êáὶ ἸÜêùâïí ôὸí ôïῦ Æåâåäáßïõ êáὶ ἸùÜííçí ôὸí ἀäåëöὸí ôïῦ Ἰáêþâïõ, êáὶ ἐðÝèçêåí áὐôïῖò ὀíüìáôá ÂïáíçñãÝò, ὅ ἐóôéí õἱïὶ âñïíôῆò·
KAI IAKWBON TON TOU ZEBEDAIOU KAI IWANNHN TON ADELFON TOU IAKWBOU KAI EPEQHKEN AUTOIS ONOMATA BOANHRYES O ESTIN UIOI BRONTHS
These two had wanted to call fire down on some people. So they are referred to  as UIOI BRONTHS.  In this context  the construction would indicate a quality that they possessed. This is the only example I can think of offhand. There are a great deal more, I'm sure.
Walt Seevers

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From: rhutchin at aol.com

To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:26:49 -0400



OK, I see the basic rationale.  Son of iniquity means a bad guy.

Thus, children of wrath can mean the objects of God's wrath.  The lost are the objects of God's wrath.  I can see that.  So, v 4, But God...even when we were the objects of His wrath...

But, would we say that being the object of God's wrath is, "By nature."  It appears to me that FUSEI could just as easily extend the description of the lost that we read earlier in this verse perhaps meaning that their nature is that of wrath (or hate) as opposed to love (per the nature of God).  Then, v 4, But God...even when we hated Him...  As son of iniquity refers to a person ruled by sin, could not children of wrath refer to people ruled by wrath (wrath is their nature)?  Is a literal rendering necessarily misleading in this case?

Can a grammatical analysis sort this out or does it end up being one person's exegetical position against another's?

Roger Hutchinson





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