[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3
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Wed Mar 24 12:55:57 EDT 2010
Iver, I can't help but tweak you a bit on this one. Seems like another of several tell-tale semitisms in Ephesians.
Yancy Smith, PhD
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On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Iver Larsen wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3
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>>
>> OK, I see the basic rationale. Son of iniquity means a bad guy.
>>
>> Thus, children of wrath can mean the objects of God's wrath. The lost are the
>> objects of God's wrath. I can see that. So, v 4, But God...even when we were
>> the objects of His wrath...
>>
>> But, would we say that being the object of God's wrath is, "By nature." It
>> appears to me that FUSEI could just as easily extend the description of the
>> lost that we read earlier in this verse perhaps meaning that their nature is
>> that of wrath (or hate) as opposed to love (per the nature of God). Then, v
>> 4, But God...even when we hated Him... As son of iniquity refers to a person
>> ruled by sin, could not children of wrath refer to people ruled by wrath
>> (wrath is their nature)? Is a literal rendering necessarily misleading in
>> this case?
>>
>> Can a grammatical analysis sort this out or does it end up being one person's
>> exegetical position against another's?
>>
>> Roger Hutchinson
>
> An analysis of the semantic range of the word ORGH in relation to QUMOS might
> help. Richard Trench suggests that in secular Greek QUMOS is "more of the
> turbulent commotion, the boiling agitation of feelings (of anger)" while ORGH is
> "more of an abiding and settled habit of mind with the purpose of revenge."
>
> Another complementary avenue is to look at how Paul uses the word ORGH. It is
> common in Romans (12 times), and it always in that book refers to God's
> righteous anger and consequent punishment. I would therefore suggest that the
> wrath mentioned here is also most likely the wrath/punishment from God that is
> awaiting the "sons of disobedience." (v. 2).
>
> A further avenue is to consider the clear contrast to the mercy of God in the
> next verse directed to the "sons of obedience". This suggests that the ORGH here
> is indeed the wrath of God.
>
> A literal rendering is the easy way out in that the translators push the
> necessary research to the reader, and the majority of readers are unable or
> unwilling to do that research and therefore in reality will be misled or at
> least greatly puzzled.
>
> Iver Larsen
>
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