[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3

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Wed Mar 24 12:55:57 EDT 2010


Iver, I can't help but tweak you a bit on this one. Seems like another of several tell-tale semitisms in Ephesians.

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Iver Larsen wrote:

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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:3
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> 
>> 
>> OK, I see the basic rationale.  Son of iniquity means a bad guy.
>> 
>> Thus, children of wrath can mean the objects of God's wrath.  The lost are the 
>> objects of God's wrath.  I can see that.  So, v 4, But God...even when we were 
>> the objects of His wrath...
>> 
>> But, would we say that being the object of God's wrath is, "By nature."  It 
>> appears to me that FUSEI could just as easily extend the description of the 
>> lost that we read earlier in this verse perhaps meaning that their nature is 
>> that of wrath (or hate) as opposed to love (per the nature of God).  Then, v 
>> 4, But God...even when we hated Him...  As son of iniquity refers to a person 
>> ruled by sin, could not children of wrath refer to people ruled by wrath 
>> (wrath is their nature)?  Is a literal rendering necessarily misleading in 
>> this case?
>> 
>> Can a grammatical analysis sort this out or does it end up being one person's 
>> exegetical position against another's?
>> 
>> Roger Hutchinson
> 
> An analysis of the semantic range of the word ORGH in relation to QUMOS might 
> help. Richard Trench suggests that in secular Greek QUMOS is "more of the 
> turbulent commotion, the boiling agitation of feelings (of anger)" while ORGH is 
> "more of an abiding and settled habit of mind with the purpose of revenge."
> 
> Another complementary avenue is to look at how Paul uses the word ORGH. It is 
> common in Romans (12 times), and it always in that book refers to God's 
> righteous anger and consequent punishment. I would therefore suggest that the 
> wrath mentioned here is also most likely the wrath/punishment from God that is 
> awaiting the "sons of disobedience." (v. 2).
> 
> A further avenue is to consider the clear contrast to the mercy of God in the 
> next verse directed to the "sons of obedience". This suggests that the ORGH here 
> is indeed the wrath of God.
> 
> A literal rendering is the easy way out in that the translators push the 
> necessary research to the reader, and the majority of readers are unable or 
> unwilling to do that research and therefore in reality will be misled or at 
> least greatly puzzled.
> 
> Iver Larsen 
> 
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