[B-Greek] The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 27 02:34:32 EDT 2010


1.  That Wallace is basically correct in his identification of many / most constructions has no relevance to his basic methodology since he can correctly identify a construction but for the wrong reason.

2.  This is not simply his methodology with regard to the possessive Genotive.

3.  What is in error is his methodology.  The relationship indicated by the genitive (or other case) is not dependent upon how one would TRANSLATE the construction since it may be that one is wrongly translating the construction.
 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Rod Rogers <rngrogers at embarqmail.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 10:33:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)

George, I don't see where this fits in with 
what has been discussed previously in this 
thread on "corpus reading" and Linguistic vs. 
traditional grammar style. Also to state that 
Dan Wallace "totally misconstrues the 
function of grammar" is a bold statement, 
especially when you defend that statement 
quoting Wallace's grammar on Possessive 
Genitives, pg. 81. Here is what Wallace says:


2. Possessive Genitive [belonging to, 
possessed by]
a. Definition
The substantive in the genitive possesses the 
thing to which it stands related. That is, in 
some sense the head noun is owned by the 
genitive noun. Such ownership at times can be 
broadly defined and need not imply the 
literal (and sometimes harsh) idea of 
possession of physical property. This usage 
is quite common.
b. Key to Identification
Instead of the word of replace it with 
belonging to or possessed by. If this 
paraphrase fits, then the genitive is 
probably a genitive of possession.
Daniel B. Wallace. (1999; 2002). Greek 
Grammar Beyond the Basics - Exegetical Syntax 
of the New Testament (81). Zondervan 
Publishing House and Galaxie Software.


Can you elaborate on what Wallace said that 
was in error?

rod rogers
bargersville, in




----- Original Message ----- 
From: George F Somsel
To: Mark Lightman ; Steve Runge ; Dr. Don 
Wilkins
Cc: bGreek Greek
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] The Unreasonable 
Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large 
Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)


I agree that Wallace doesn't need to be 
fixed. Wallace is beyond fixing. He totally 
misconstrues the function of grammar by 
stating in most cases that their 
identification depends on whether "Instead of 
the word of replace it with ..." This means 
that one must translate it before he decides 
how the genitive functions. To him if you 
want to translate it in some fashion then it 
fits whatever paradigm you wish.
george
gfsomsel


… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, 
hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.


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