[B-Greek] The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 27 02:34:32 EDT 2010
1. That Wallace is basically correct in his identification of many / most constructions has no relevance to his basic methodology since he can correctly identify a construction but for the wrong reason.
2. This is not simply his methodology with regard to the possessive Genotive.
3. What is in error is his methodology. The relationship indicated by the genitive (or other case) is not dependent upon how one would TRANSLATE the construction since it may be that one is wrongly translating the construction.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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From: Rod Rogers <rngrogers at embarqmail.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 10:33:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)
George, I don't see where this fits in with
what has been discussed previously in this
thread on "corpus reading" and Linguistic vs.
traditional grammar style. Also to state that
Dan Wallace "totally misconstrues the
function of grammar" is a bold statement,
especially when you defend that statement
quoting Wallace's grammar on Possessive
Genitives, pg. 81. Here is what Wallace says:
2. Possessive Genitive [belonging to,
possessed by]
a. Definition
The substantive in the genitive possesses the
thing to which it stands related. That is, in
some sense the head noun is owned by the
genitive noun. Such ownership at times can be
broadly defined and need not imply the
literal (and sometimes harsh) idea of
possession of physical property. This usage
is quite common.
b. Key to Identification
Instead of the word of replace it with
belonging to or possessed by. If this
paraphrase fits, then the genitive is
probably a genitive of possession.
Daniel B. Wallace. (1999; 2002). Greek
Grammar Beyond the Basics - Exegetical Syntax
of the New Testament (81). Zondervan
Publishing House and Galaxie Software.
Can you elaborate on what Wallace said that
was in error?
rod rogers
bargersville, in
----- Original Message -----
From: George F Somsel
To: Mark Lightman ; Steve Runge ; Dr. Don
Wilkins
Cc: bGreek Greek
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] The Unreasonable
Effectiveness of Data: An Argumentfor a Large
Corpus Size (i.e., Reading WIdely)
I agree that Wallace doesn't need to be
fixed. Wallace is beyond fixing. He totally
misconstrues the function of grammar by
stating in most cases that their
identification depends on whether "Instead of
the word of replace it with ..." This means
that one must translate it before he decides
how the genitive functions. To him if you
want to translate it in some fashion then it
fits whatever paradigm you wish.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth,
hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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