[B-Greek] when syntax doesn't get you there -- Eph 4:9b
Rod Rogers
rngrogers at embarqmail.com
Sun Mar 28 22:48:31 EDT 2010
Cryptic or whatever, I'm still trying to
decide where exactly your objections lie. Are
you advocating an understanding of
Christ/Spirit descending at Pentecost in
verse 9? If not I am at a complete loss.
Also, were you thinking of Sandy, TX or more
in the lines of 3909 Swiss Ave, Dallas, TX?
rod rogers
bargersvile, in
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From: Elizabeth Kline
To: greek B-Greek
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] when syntax doesn't get
you there -- Eph 4:9b
Eph. 4:8 διὸ λέγει· ἀναβὰς εἰς ὕψος
ᾐχμαλώτευσεν αἰχμαλωσίαν, ἔδωκεν δόματα τοῖς
ἀνθρώποις. 9 τὸ δὲ ἀνέβη τί ἐστιν, εἰ μὴ ὅτι
καὶ κατέβη εἰς τὰ κατώτερα [μέρη] τῆς γῆς;
Eph. 4:8 DIO LEGEI· ANABAS EIS hUYOS
HiCMALWTEUSEN AICMALWSIAN, EDWKEN DOMATA TOIS
ANQRWPOIS. 9 TO DE ANEBH TI ESTIN, EI MH
hOTI KAI KATEBH EIS TA KATWTERA [MERH] THS
GHS;
H. Hoehner (Ephesians Baker 2002, p533ff)
states that the central exegetical problem in
Eph 4:9b is "identifying the syntactical
relationship of the genitival phrase THS
GHS." In my opinion, this is a prime example
of what is wrong with the kind Greek exegesis
they teach in Texas (and almost everywhere
else). The idea that we can get to the root
of this exegetical problem by focusing our
attention on THS GHS and the genitive case is
not really old fashion, it is just wrong. It
was always wrong. The best Greek expositors
of previous centuries new better than that.
N.B. Hoehner does breifly review the
alterative readings. But the suggestion that
THS GHS and the genitive case are the key to
the problem ... he cites Wallace in support
... I leave that one to George Somsel :-)
Twenty some years ago, C.E. Arnold[1]
approached this text by constructing a
semantic framework (he didn't call it that)
for understanding KATEBH EIS TA KATWTERA
[MERH] THS GHS. He ends up with the
traditional reading. IMO, Arnold's approach
is much better. You don't have to agree with
his result, the issue is one of methodology.
Elizabeth Kline
[1] C.E. Arnold
EPHESIANS POWER ANDMAGIC. By Clinton E.
Arnold pp. 57-58
Google search string for C.E. Arnold "this
papyrus preserves a record"
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