[B-Greek] 1 Tim4:10

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed May 5 15:00:32 EDT 2010


Another item that slipped through the cracks:

Forwarded for: "Doug Knighton" <douglas.knighton at gmail.com>
Date: May 5, 2010 11:57:15 AM EDT
To: "'Rick Brannan'" <textgeek+bgreek at gmail.com>
Cc: <b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] 1 Tim4:10


Maybe Skeat draws his inference from Lidell & Scott's citation of Plato: "TI MALISTA? what is the precise thing that you want? Plat.;"

Doug Knighton, Ch Col USAF (Ret)


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To: Tim Buley
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Tim4:10

Hi Tim.

On this word (MALISTA), there are two important articles to check:

First, T.C. Skeat, "Especially the Parchments: A Note on 2 Timothy 4.13" in Journal of Theological Studies NS, Vol 30. 1979, pp. 173-177.

Skeat's article is the one that introduces and grounds the "that is" suggestion:

"My own suggestion is that MALISTA in this passage, instead of differentiating the BIBLIA from the MEMBRANAI, in fact equates them, at least to the extent of defining or particularizing the general term BIBLIA, and that an idiomatic English translation would be 'the books — I mean the parchment notebooks'."(Skeat, 174).

He goes on to talk about other places MALISTA occurs in the Pastorals, and whether his suggestion applies to those passages.

I have a citation of Skeat and some excerpts here: http://bit.ly/8XnJK6

Skeat's suggestion has made its way into pretty much every techincal commentary on the Pastorals since (see particularly Knight's NIGTC contribution), and it has influenced how 1Ti 4.10 is handled.

Second, a response to Skeat by Vern Poythress: Vern Poythress, "The Meaning of MALISTA in 2 Timothy 4.13 and Related Verses in Journal of Theological Studies, Vol 35, Pt. 2, October 2002, pp. 523-532.

I have a citation of Poythress and some excerpts here: http://bit.ly/aFsRSY

Poythress says, basically, "not so fast, TC" (gotta get the Magnum PI references out of my head now) and urges caution when essentially advocating new senses of a word to help one out of theological and doctrinal conundrums. He's right generally, but that doesn't mean he's right specifically about MALISTA in 1Ti 4.10.

Anyway, if you're really working through 1Ti 4.10, the interaction between Skeat and Poythress is helpful to read. I think I'm still on Skeat's side of the issue (mostly) though Poythress' cautions are good reminders.

Rick Brannan
http://www.pastoralepistles.com
http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog
My Apostolic Fathers Interlinear: http://bit.ly/ApFthInt

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tim Buley <buley52 at att.net> wrote:
>
> I was trying to find a link for any discussions on 1 Tim 4:10, if especially "malista" should be translated with "that is". If it has been discussed, thanks .



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