[B-Greek] Joel 3:1-2 (LXX) & Acts 2:17-18 - Why EKCEW APO TOU PNEUMATOS MOU instead of EKCEW TO PNEUMA MOU?

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Mon May 10 08:21:21 EDT 2010


On May 10, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Kevin Riley wrote:
> Some of us believe in the inspiration of all of Scripture and don't believe
> that Acts defines Joel, or any other portion of Scripture, as if it were
> somehow deficient until Luke wrote Acts to give it a definitive meaning.
> There are also members of this list who do not believe Scripture is
> inspired, and I am not sure that your "moreover" adds anything to the
> discussion for them either.  I am not convinced that whether one believes in
> inspiration - of any sort - actually changes the basic meaning of the text
> in any way.  When Greek grammar supplies an answer, why turn to divisive
> theology?

In fact, the question of the inspiration of scripture lies outside the parameters of admissible
B-Greek discussion. Let's keep the focus upon the Greek text as Greek text, please.

BG-FAQ: Our  FAQ (ttp://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/faq.html) states:

"B-Greek is not a forum for general Bible issues, except insofar as they may 
bear specifically upon interpretation of a particular Greek text, Neither is it 
a forum for general or specific hermeneutical or theological issues."

Carl W. Conrad
Co-Chair, B-Greek List

> On 10 May 2010 20:34, <dlpost at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> It seems to me the Greek text simply supports the metonymy of the Hebrew
>> usage of Spirit. Moreover, for those believing in the inspiration of
>> Scripture, the Greek of Acts 2:17-18 defines and applies Joel 2:28-29 for
>> us. Something the Spirit would supply - being either genitive of
>> source/ablative.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doug Post
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric S. Weiss" <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "b-greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2010 7:50:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Joel 3:1-2 (LXX) & Acts 2:17-18 - Why EKCEW APO TOU
>> PNEUMATOS MOU instead of EKCEW TO PNEUMA MOU?
>> 
>> The Hebrew text of Joel 2:28-29 (Joel 3:1-2 LXX) seems to read:
>> 
>> "I will pour out My Spirit"
>> 
>> However, the LXX translation renders it:
>> 
>> "I will pour out from (APO) My Spirit"
>> 
>> and Acts 2:17-18 keeps the LXX reading.
>> 
>> So whereas the Hebrew text has God pouring out His Spirit,
>> and not merely [something] "from" His Spirit, the LXX addition
>> of APO seems to diminish the meaning/effect of the Hebrew.
>> 
>> Other places in Acts indicate that people received the Spirit,
>> and not simply [something] "from" the Spirit.
>> 
>> So why does the LXX add APO here? I did some searching of
>> EKCEW plus APO in the LXX and Philo and Josephus and
>> the Apostolic Fathers, but couldn't find a reason for the LXX
>> addition of APO to EKCEW in Joel 3:1-2.
>> 
>> - - -
>> Eric S. Weiss





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