[B-Greek] Using Songs in Greek Pedagogy
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Tue May 25 17:20:24 EDT 2010
Patrick wrote:
<If you are learning biblical Greek, and like songs
(certainly a very
sound paedagogical method), why not sing actual biblical and new
testament songs which are well established in usage and are excellent
Greek:
*the psalms, esp. the praises (148-150)
*the ancient ευχαριστια
(euxaristia) hymn sung at sunset
(Basil the Great called it *ancient* in his day)
and so on...>
Hi, Patrick,
1. It is
not an either/or thing. Traditional Liturgical Songs are great,
and
thanks to George S. for providing those links. I will say, though, that
for years I listened to these traditional songs and did not
understand
them very well or get much out of the. Listening to Louis
has
actually improved my listening skills to the point that I can get more
out of the traditional stuff. Mounce also has some
quasi-traditional songs
on his web site which are pretty good, but
Louis is covering a different
niche.
2. What's great about
Louis' stuff is that he provides a Greek text, and a
translation and
now with his drills he breaks everything down so you can learn the song
better and practice it and internalize it. If he or anyone else did this to
the traditional
stuff, that would be cool too.
3. There is also tremendous value in WRITING your own songs. This is helping
Louis learn Greek better and he is providing us with a model for producing
our own songs.
I've written a few songs myself and find pop or even rap songs work best in
triggering
creativity, at least for me
4. The Rock and Pop songs he
comes up with are simply more fun than the traditional
stuff. His
ballad of Brett Fabr and his "Your So Vain" come to mind. For those of
us under
40, you have to find a way to make Greek fun. Not that I'm
under 40.
Louis wrote
<For a little more fun, try translating Garth and Wayne's
"We're Not Worthy" into Greek.>
Hi, Louis,
Is your Q.B. coming back this year? Again?
How about:
ουδεν εσμεν (OUDEN ESMEN)
or perhaps
εσμεν τι...ουκ. (ESMEN TI...OUK) "We are something...not!")
Mark L
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: +Fr Patrick B O'Grady <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>
To: B-Greek List mail to all <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:54:34 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Using Songs in Greek Pedagogy
If you are learning biblical Greek, and like songs (certainly a very
sound paedagogical method), why not sing actual biblical and new
testament songs which are well established in usage and are excellent
Greek:
*the psalms, esp. the praises (148-150)
*the ancient ευχαριστια (euxaristia) hymn sung at sunset
(Basil the Great called it *ancient* in his day)
and so on...
On Tue, 25 May 2010 08:11:18 -0500, "Louis Sorenson"
<llsorenson at hotmail.com> said:
>
> Hello again,
> RE: You are Worthy of my Praise (Song)
>
> I've created some updated Audio Askeseis for verse 1, 2 and the chorus
> respectively.
>
> Verse 1
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_verse1_askhsis.mp3
> Verse 2
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_verse2_askhsis.mp3
> Chorus:
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_chorus_askhsis.mp3
>
> The song page will be found later this week at
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise.htm
> Many other songs can be found there also in the main songs folder.
>
> For a little more fun, try translating Garth and Wayne's "We're Not
> Worthy" into Greek.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0
>
> Louis Sorenson
>
> From: llsorenson at hotmail.com
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> CC: randallbuth at gmail.com; danstreett at gmail.com; lightmanmark at yahoo.com
> Subject: Using Songs in Greek Pedagogy
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:09:54 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> This year I have been trying to integrate songs and use songs as a way of
> teaching Greek to a new class. Pulling in on storytelling, Randall Buth's
> methodolgy and Christophe Rico's book, I have tried most of their
> methodology. I also have been reading Blaine Ray's book on TPRS
> (Teaching Proficiency through Reading and Storytelling).
>
> It all started with a couple songs about a year ago and then getting some
> positive feedback from a few I decided to use it in my classes. I think
> the active learning method scared off some of the older adults - the high
> school guys really love learning from an activity-based methodology
> (including the UNO - ENA card game). We have used about 0%-100% of
> various classes using songs, on average about 25%. I play the guitar a
> little, read music, play the piano (no piano in the room) and can hold a
> tune, but that is about all. So our music teaching was pretty Spartan --
> but it works.
>
> The last few weeks I have tried to formalize a song or two and make a
> curriculum for the song, along with vocabulary, audio drills, vocal
> recordings, and more. The result is a sheet of paper (legal-size)
> printed on both sides which you carry around with you, fold and put in
> your pocket, etc. I use this method all the time as I have a job that
> takes me to over 100 places a day.
>
> Different songs work differently. Some have great settings (like The
> Revelation Song); Others are more praise-action based, like the latest
> one I have used "You Are Worthy of My Praise" by David Ruis.
> Nevertheless, they still lend themselves to an audio-based methodology.
> You are Worthy of my Praise is a responsive song, which works well for
> teaching. I may video record one of my classes and post my thoughts and
> ideas, but for now to keep this short, I just wanted to share my first
> official lesson (draft).
>
> The lesson is an intermediate lesson - just touching on participles, one
> or two subjunctives, lots of futures and datives. There is an
> instructional section at the end that tells how to use it and links to
> various sections in Smyth's grammar. I would also like to give references
> to Mounce, but he is not as well organized as Smyth. (I love FOSFOROS'
> post - buy Smyth and write KOINE on the front cover).
>
> The Songfold lesson has four parts: Song, Scripture References, Story,
> Class Dialogue. Learning the song is based on learning phrases. I have
> developed a parallel story to reinforce the phrases. I have yet to put
> up my class dialogue for the song. A grammar section is included. The
> goal of this methodology is to learn to read, but to internalize the
> forms by using them aurally. Give it a try and let me in on what you
> think. I'm still not happy with the audio (a quick recording), and line
> 12/34, but there's always room for improvement.
>
> Links:
>
> The song: You Are Worthy of My Praise" by David Ruis
> Online Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFN3lqTD7k&feature=related
> Vineyard Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcWkt7rxrg (more familiar
> to most)
> Jeremy Camp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJsN358apt8&feature=related
> (rocky)
> Songfold:
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_fourfold.pdf
> Greek-English askesis:
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_Greek-English-Askhsis.mp3
> Greek askesis:
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_greekaskesis.mp3
> Greek vocal of song:
> http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/youareworthyofmypraise/youareworthyofmypraise_vocal.mp3
>
> ASATE MOI ἄσατε μοι!
> Louis Sorenson
>
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