[B-Greek] AUTOU in Jo 9:6

Nikolaos Adamou ntgreekreader at gmail.com
Sat Mar 19 12:05:18 EDT 2011


The discussion between Wielend (>>) and Carl ( < ) ended as:
Wieland Willker wrote:

>> To be sure, it is more common for the genitive pronoun to
>> follow its head noun, but it quite frequently precedes it
>> and even may be separated from it, as in Mt 8:8
>> and Mk 5:30.
>
> But isn't the case Jo 9:6 a bit different?
> AUTOU is in front, but in front of TON PHLON.
> Do you really think that it belongs to TOUS OFQALMOUS?
< Yes, I do. I really do.

>> I'm surprised that you have no problem with it, since so
>> many commentators (and scribes) are puzzled.
< Maybe I should read the commentators, but what I read
< is the Greek text, and if the Greek text makes perfectly
< good sense as it stands, I don't see a problem.

< Perhaps my problem, if it is a problem is that I wrote a
< dissertation (half a century ago) on adjectives and pronouns
< separated from their head words. One of the common
< patterns is abVAB -- where a and b are adjectives, V
< is a verb, and A and B are the head nouns with which
< the adjectives (or sometimes pronouns) construe.

< Carl W. Conrad

I think that all about the μοῦ and σοῦ that Iver refers from John and Carl
from Mathew are not related to the point that Wielend brings up.

I would like to make few notes on this verse.

HW use a different verb than all others.
Tischendorf uses first this structure followed by NA27 and SBL GNT,
while in Textus Receptus, Byzanine and the Ecclesiastical text
there is no αὐτοῦ,
but τοῦ τυφλοῦ at the end of the verse.

With all respect, Carl, Tischendorf’s choice and his followers does
not make sense in a Greek structure.



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