[B-Greek] In search of a PERFECT translation (John 20:23)

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 19 16:28:39 EDT 2011


Alastair ἠρὠτησεν:

<What is the force of the perfect tenses in this verse?>

Hi, Alastair,

I'd go with Max Zerwick's "dramatic perfect."

"If you let go of  the sins of anyone, check it out, they are thrown away for 
these guys!   If you hold on to the sins of anyone, get this, they stay where 
they  are, yeah, baby!" 




 Mark L
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FWSFOROS MARKOS




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From: Alastair Haines <afhaines at tpg.com.au>
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Subject: [B-Greek] In search of a PERFECT translation (John 20:23)

In search of a PERFECT translation
John 20:23

AN TINWN AFHTE TAS hAMARTIAS
   AFEWNTAI AUTOIS,
AN TINWN KRATHTE
   KEKRATHNTAI.

ἄν τινων ἀφῆτε τὰς ἁμαρτίας
   ἀφέωνται αὐτοῖς
ἄν τινων κρατῆτε
   κεκράτηνται.

If you discharge sins from any,
[the sins] have been discharged for them;
If you hold any [to account],
they have been held [to account].

What is the force of the perfect tenses in this verse?

I'm inclined to follow Wilber Thomas Dayton, inter alia.
The Greek Perfect Tense in Relation to John 20:23, Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 
18:18.
Th.D. Thesis: Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, 1945.

Is there a good archive of discussion here regarding this?
Or is there anyone who'd care to defend the HCSB, ESV, NIV against
the LXX (Gen 30:33), Jerome (remittuntur), Luther (sind erlassen), Dayton et 
al.? 

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