[B-Greek] Adverbs
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p1234567891 at gmail.com
Wed Mar 30 22:52:11 EDT 2011
Dear Iver and all,
I did the same as you, but I could not find conclusive evidence of the
difference, at least in the new testament. Although my initial thought on
seeing that "prwtos" was declined as an adjective was that it should
"modify" the noun as you stated, I could not find an occurrence in the new
testament where it was unlikely to act as an adverb "modifying" the verb. So
do you have any particular examples? And if "prwtos" does modify "outos", is
it possible that it could mean that Andrew was the first to find his own
brother (implying either that John later found his or that others like
Philip would also find their own brother) or that Andrew was the first to
find someone else in general (implying that others later would also bring
people to Jesus)? On the assumption that the other of the two is the author
of the gospel and that Philip is the brother or at least close to Nathanael,
I would favour the former as the implied meaning. Or have I misunderstood?
Regards,
David Lim
On 31 March 2011 03:04, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
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> On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Iver Larsen wrote:
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>> To: "=)" <p1234567891 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "B-Greek List" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 30. marts 2011 11:53
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Adverbs
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>> This question originally related to John 1:41 which in the NA reads:
>> εὑρίσκει οὗτος πρῶτον τὸν ἀδελφὸν τὸν ἴδιον Σίμωνα
>> hEURISKEI hOUTOS PRWTON TON ADELFON TON IDION SIMWNA
>> This one (he) first finds his (own/real) brother, Simon.
>>
>> The original hand of Aleph wrote πρῶτος PTWTOS. It was corrected later in
>> the Aleph ms, and it has very little mss support.
>>
>
> But the Majority Text has PRWTOS. Tischendorf has it too.
>
> IL: I suppose this is not really the place to argue textual criticism, but
> let me copy from Metzger:
> "The reading πρῶτος, attested by א* and the later Greek tradition, means
> that Andrew was the first follower of Jesus who made a convert. The reading
> πρῶτον, which means that the first thing that Andrew did after having been
> called was to find his brother, was preferred by a majority of the Committee
> because of its early and diversified support (P66, 75 אc B Θ f 1 f 13 cop
> arm geo al)." The NA apparatus includes A among the supporters of PRWTON.
>
> The suggestion that Andrew was the first follower of Jesus to make a
> convert just not fit with hEURISKEI in initial position nor does it fit with
> the sentence as a whole. Both internal and external reasoning strongly
> favours PRWTON.
>
> Before I studied all the occurrences of PRWTOS and PRWTON in the NT I was
> unclear about the difference, but it became much clearer afterwards. I can
> only recommend the exercise, and it would be nice to go beyond the NT, but
> there are sufficient examples within the NT to give a good feel for the
> usage.
>
> Iver Larsen
>
>
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