[b-greek] Re: KATEBH and Gen. of Apposition

From: Dmitriy Reznik (reznik1@juno.com)
Date: Sat Jun 24 2000 - 10:06:14 EDT


On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:59:54 GMT "Mark Wilson" <emory2002@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
> Eph 4:9
>
> TO DE ANEBH TI ESTIN EI MH hOTI KAI KATEBH EIS TO KATWTERA MERH THS
> GHS
>
>
> Once again in my Grammar book (Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics by
> Daniel B.
> Wallace) I have come across something that makes little to no sense
> to me.
>
> In a footnote concerning this verse, he sites W. Hall Harris’
> article in
> BSac where Harris lists as an option for this verse a Genitive of
> Apposition, and could indicate that the descent occurred AFTER the
> ascent.
>
> How can a Genitive of Apposition denote a SUBSEQUENT descent in this
> verse?
>
> “what does this mean except that subsequently he also descended into
> the
> lower parts of the earth”
>
> Would this translation be acceptable?
>
> The final statement Dr. Wallace makes in this footnote has really
> confused
> me. He feels that if this idea of AFTER is correct (which, he says,
> “has
> much to commend it”), then that would mean the descent is a
> reference to the
> Spirit’s descent on the day of Pentecost.
>
> Is not the subject of Eph. 4:9 Christ? How could the descent of the
> Spirit
> equate to a descent of Christ? I think that the KAI KATEBH (he ALSO
> descended) would mean that the same one who ascended ALSO descended.
>
> I have got to believe that this final statement of Wallace’s
> probably
> crosses over into a theological question. I apologize in advance if
> I have
> inadvertently asked a theological question here. In case he was
> supporting
> this contention based somehow on the grammar of this verse, I
> thought I
> better ask.

Please look at Ps. 62:10 in LXX:
AUTOI DE EIS MATHN EZHTHSAN THN PSUCHN MOU, EISELEUSONTAI EIS TA KATWTATA
THS GHS

To me it look like Paul speak about the same place, namely, Hades.

Regards,

Dmitriy Reznik
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