[b-greek] RV: Re: Rev.2:23

From: Johann Radax (cecitor@impsat.net.ec)
Date: Sun Aug 06 2000 - 17:44:30 EDT


>Would someone be kind enough to translate this for me? Many thanks.
>
>Ted
>thmann@juno.com
>

Dear Ted::
I think that the most literal translation for this verse is "kidneys". The
Jerusalem Bible does translate it that way. Our endorsement is in the Text;
as well as in that the kidneys are considered the seat of feelings, like joy
(Pr. 23:16), pain (Sal.73.21), and even of will and conscience (Sal.16:7 and
26:2). God examines the kidneys and the heart, the most intimate of man (Jr.
11:20, l7:10, 20,12 and Rev. 2:23 our Text).
Now the "BUT"
We observe the emphatic "I am ", the "I" that probes, that searches, that
tests the hearts, this is God's peculiar attribute, given to Christ.
The rein, the containment of, the governing of, the restraining of (rein),
are the seat of the desires, of the heart y and come out of the mouth in the
form of thoughts.
We can say that the kidney is a symbol of the heart. The versions that
translate minds, desires, are more fluent, less fettered, more legible etc.
Braulio Barillas
parakal@quetzal.net

>> Apreciado Ted:
>> Pienso que la traducción más literal para este versículo sea
>> "riñones". B.
>> De Jerusalén así traduce. Nuestro refrendamiento está en el Texto;
>> así como
>> que los riñones son considerados sede de sentimientos como la
>> alegría (Pr.
>> 23:16),pena (Sal.73.21),e, incluso de la voluntad y la conciencia
>> (Sal.16:7
>> y 26:2). Dios examina los riñones y el corazón lo más íntimo del
>> hombre (Jr.
>> 11:20, l7:10, 20,12 y Ap. 2:23 nuestro Texto).
>> Ahora "El Pero"
>> Observemos el énfatico "Yo soy", el "Yo" que sondea, que averigua,
>> que
>> inquiere los corazones, este es un atributo peculiar de Dios dado a
>> Cristo.
>> La rienda, la contención de, el gobernar el, el refrenar el (rein),
>> son el
>> asiento de los deseos; del corazón y que a la boca salen como
>> pensamientos.
>> Podemos decir que el riñon es figura del corazón. Las versiones que
>> traduzcan mentes, deseos, son de una lectura más corrida, menos
>> trabada, más
>> legible etc.
>> Braulio Barillas
>> parakal@quetzal.net
>>
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>> I am having some difficulty with a phrase in Eph. 4.16. Evidently, I am >>not the only one, since NIV, RSV, and NKJV all translate the phrase >>differently. I would appreciate help with: KAT ENERGEIAN EN METRW hENOS >>hEKASTOU MEROUS. Such simple words. Thanks! >> >>Gordon Goltz >

Mr. Goltz:

I understand that you are asking as to the different translations of the Greek Text of Eph. 4:16. In Spanish, the same thing happens, like in any other language. The idea is to stick to the best comprehension of what the Writer wants to convey, and so it comes that in one and the same language different versions appear. When a translation is very literal, the reading of that version is very "tiresome". In the same way, the version(s) have to adjust themselves to the various cultural layers, etc., this originates the use of synonyms. I hope that this is what your inquiry is about. Braulio Barillas parakal@quetzal.net

>Señor Goltz: > >Entiendo que está preguntando, sobre las diferentes traducciones que hacen >al Texto Griego de Ef. 4:16. >En español sucede lo mismo al igual que en todos los idiomas. La idea es >ajustarse a la mejor comprensión de lo que el Escritor nos quiere trasmitir, >de allí es que en un mismo idioma surjan diferentes versiones. Cuando la >traducción es muy literal, la versión es de lectura "cansada". Así mismo >la(s)versiones deben ajustarse a los diferentes estratos culturales, esto, >da lugar al uso de sinónimos. Espero sea esta su inquietud >Braulio Barillas >parakal@quetzal.net > > >--- >B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek >You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: cecitor@impsat.net.ec >To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu >To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu > > >

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