From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Thu Jan 18 2001 - 08:09:37 EST
At 6:39 AM -0600 1/18/01, Harold R. Holmyard III wrote:
>Dear Iver,
>
>I was following you comments well until I hit:
>
>>In English, you can say "the good men", "the ten good men", "all the good
>>men"
>>and "all (the) ten good men", but you cannot say "the all good men" or
>>"the all
>>souls". You can say "the whole group of souls". I am not sure if English
>>allows
>>"these my good men". If not, the possessives should be included in the
>>determiners. So for English, we could posit an order like
>>S-QUANT+DET(+POSS?)+W-QUANT+ADJ+NOUN.
>
>I cannot guess (it is early in the morning) what S and W represent. Could
>you please tell me and let me feel embarrassed? Thanks.
What's disturbing me is that we are talking two "languages" here and I too
am beginning to get befuddled in exactly the same way I do when I have to
sit in on a doctoral exam in one of the Social "Sciences": they use a
jargon. It appears that we have now a dialogue going on with the jargon of
"traditional" grammar in which most of us learned Greek and a different
jargon of one or another "school" of linguistics which uses terms in
technical senses. I've tried to reach across this divide but I have
difficulty. I even sometimes wonder whether, although I know that I've
never really learned or absorbded Discourse Criticism, whether some of the
Discourse Critics have ever learned traditional Greek grammar.
--Carl W. Conrad Department of Classics/Washington University One Brookings Drive/St. Louis, MO, USA 63130/(314) 935-4018 Home: 7222 Colgate Ave./St. Louis, MO 63130/(314) 726-5649 cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu cwconrad@ioa.com http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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