From: HARRYJ (jharry@szczecin.cc)
Date: Thu Jan 25 2001 - 02:48:14 EST
<x-html>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD><TITLE>I have tried unsuccessfully to mail this letter to you, but this is not recorded in my ‘sent’ mail, and once I got the message</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<META content=Word.Document name=ProgId>
<META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=GENERATOR>
<META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK 
href="cid:filelist.xml@01C086A1.A8AADB00" rel=File-List><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
  <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
 </o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <w:WordDocument>
  <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
  <w:HyphenationZone>21</w:HyphenationZone>
  <w:EnvelopeVis/>
  <w:DrawingGridHorizontalSpacing>4,5 pt</w:DrawingGridHorizontalSpacing>
  <w:DisplayHorizontalDrawingGridEvery>2</w:DisplayHorizontalDrawingGridEvery>
  <w:DisplayVerticalDrawingGridEvery>2</w:DisplayVerticalDrawingGridEvery>
  <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/>
 </w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]-->
<STYLE>@font-face {
        font-family: Book Antiqua;
}
@page Section1 {size: 595.3pt 841.9pt; margin: 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt; mso-header-margin: 35.45pt; mso-footer-margin: 35.45pt; mso-paper-source: 0; }
P.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
LI.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
DIV.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
A:link {
        COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
        COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single
}
A:visited {
        COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
        COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single
}
P.MsoAutoSig {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
LI.MsoAutoSig {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
DIV.MsoAutoSig {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"
}
SPAN.StylWiadomociEmail15 {
        COLOR: black; mso-ansi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-type: personal-compose; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial
}
DIV.Section1 {
        page: Section1
}
</STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY lang=PL style="tab-interval: 35.4pt" vLink=purple link=blue 
bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial ce">----- Original Message ----- 
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A 
title=jharry@szczecin.cc href="mailto:jharry@szczecin.cc">HARRYJ</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=WesWilliams@usa.net 
href="mailto:WesWilliams@usa.net">Wes Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Rev.3:14 again</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN 
class=StylWiadomociEmail15><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; 
mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I 
have tried unsuccessfully to mail this letter to you, but this is not recorded 
in my ‘sent’ mail, and once I got the message that the address had an error. I 
put a space (division) between your first name and surname, which may have been 
the cause. So here I go again. If you do not wish to receive any mail apart from 
the b-greek mediation, I will respect it, just as I try to respect the 
‘no‑theology’ <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>b-greek rule. But I 
would like to know if my letter has made it to you. I will now try to ‘paste’ my 
original letter content onto this one.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN 
class=StylWiadomociEmail15><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">----- 
Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN 
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" 
color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> 
Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:07 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" 
color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> 
Rev.3:14 etc.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Dear 
Wes,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I 
followed your advice and sent my e-mail to the general b-greek, but my surmise 
was correct that it would not be published. Quite rightly so, if the 
purpose is just to exchange views on the linguistic aspect. That does not mean, 
however, that members of the b-greek cannot start discussions in some smaller 
groups on aspects that have theological and spiritual 
overtones.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I 
admire your patience in explaining things to other people. Myself, I do not have 
this patience, and the teaching, the doctrine of Christ, the Truth in other 
words, is most important to me. Greek is only of subsidiary importance, which is 
why I only have a smattering of it. I learned it only to form an opinion on 
passages that are translated in a variety of ways, or are downright 
mistranslations and falsifications. To me Revelation 3:14 means what it says and 
says what it means and I do not see any reason for discussing it; some people 
engage in mental acrobatics to prove their point, but if such a person rejects 
the obvious truth, there is no point in discussion. As for Greek, I am a 
linguist (English philologist, but I also teach some German), so I am in my 
element when learning foreign languages; but life is so short, and the 
rock-bottom Truth so difficult to arrive at, which is why I do not expand much 
my knowledge of Greek. I may write some day about my interpretation of the 
Lord's Prayer, specifically 'the daily bread' bit, which I think is a 
mistranslation, and also on the 'baptism for the dead', which is a puzzle to 
many people, and in these two cases there is still something to say, even though 
the matter was discussed in the past. I intend to write publicly to the b-greek, 
as my analysis is based on the linguistic aspect.</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">As 
for Christ being created or not, a point strictly bound with the trinity 
doctrine, I have thought about for about twenty years, (I am 54 now), and have 
summed up my views in a short article, although I know that thick volumes have 
been written about it. I would like to forward it to you and ask your opinion 
about it. I wrote it in Polish, German and English. I originally wrote it to the 
Campus Crusade people, so the introduction will be included. This is not to 
teach you of course, as you have already stated that you share my views; it is 
just to ask you for opinion, if you care to read it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I 
have also written to some people who engaged in Rev.3:14 discussion, but the 
response is invariable: dead silence. As for the 'public b-greek' discussion I 
feel obliged to observe their rules: no theology, although it is often difficult 
to keep things apart.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Best 
wishes for now</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Henryk 
Jedraszczak</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'"><A 
href="mailto:jharry@szczecin.cc"><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">jharry@szczecin.cc</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">from 
February I will probably abandon this address, as it has to be paid for, and 
does not provide any additional attractions, and there are a lot of breakdowns. 
I will use </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'"><A 
href="mailto:harryj@poczta.onet.pl"><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">harryj@poczta.onet.pl</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">, 
which is free, hardly any breakdowns, and a lot of additional service. It is 
already valid, so I can be contacted at this address even 
now.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
face="Book Antiqua" color=black><SPAN lang=EN-US 
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 35.45pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN 
class=StylWiadomociEmail15><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=black size=3><SPAN 
lang=EN-US 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
---<BR>
B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek
>
You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com]<BR>
To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu<BR>
To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu<BR>
<BR>
</BODY></HTML>
</x-html>
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Mon Feb 11 2002 - 18:40:15 EST