From: Ken Smith (kens@180solutions.com)
Date: Sat Mar 10 2001 - 18:33:29 EST
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Actually, Greek participles don't have person -- so the correct parsing is "Present Active Participle, Masculine Plural Dative", without any reference to person.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ken Smith</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: Noel & Mary Fitzpatrick [<A HREF="mailto:njfitzpatrick@eircom.net">mailto:njfitzpatrick@eircom.net</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:37 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: Biblical Greek</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: [b-greek] Re: OUSIN in Phil 1:1</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Phil 1:1 reads 'PASIN TOIS hAGIOIS EN CRISTWi IHSOU TOIS </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> OUSIN EN FILIPPOIS'. In most translations OUSIN is given as 'who </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> are'. Other translations give 'that are', 'which are' or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 'qui sunt', while </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> some versions omit a translation. OUSIN is the present participle </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> active dative masculine second person plural. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> A search found three other examples in the NT, which are Eph 1:1, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 2Cor 1:1 and Romans 1:7. In all of these 'who are' is the most </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> common translation of OUSIN. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Thus none of the usual translations show that OUSIN is second </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> person. Would 'you who are' or, preferably, 'you being' be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> preferred translations? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Explicitly using the second person 'you' makes the translation more </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> personal, warm and intimate. Secondly 'being' rather than 'who are' </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> uses one word rather than two words and shows more clearly that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> OUSIN is a present active participle, agreeing with hAGIOIS in </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> number, gender and case.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Thus would an appropriate translation be '... to all the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> saints in Christ </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Jesus, you being in Philippi....'?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Noel J Fitzpatrick</FONT>
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