From: Richard Allan Stauch (RStauch@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Wed Jul 25 2001 - 01:27:27 EDT
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From: Eric B. Sowell [mailto:bradyman@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:50 PM
>> "Ignatius and Theophorus,
>> for praise upon [the] tremendous God, [the] perfect Father,
>> by those predetermined before time,
>> who through all things into glory that abides unchangeable,
>> are joined together and chosen out into passion for truth,
>> in the design of the Father and Jesus Christ our God,
>> to the church worthy of blessing, that is in Ephesus of Asia,
>> greatly in Jesus Christ and in blameless joy, greetings."
>Here's a translation I made of the passage last year followed by a few
>comments:
>-Ignatius and Theophoros,
>-to the church worthy of blessing which is in Ephesus of Asia,
>-which is blessed with greatness through the fullness of God the father,
>-which is predestined before the ages to be through all things to lasting
>and unchangeable glory,
>-united and chosen in true suffering by the will of the father and Jesus
>Christ our God.
>-The heartiest greetings in Jesus Christ and in blameless joy.
>1.) The participlial form of "predestined" (which is in the 3rd line of
>your translation) is probably an attributive participle, modifying
"church."
>2.) The participial forms of "joined/united" and "chosen" are somewhat
>odd. It seems as if they should be dative participles (which could be why
>there are text critical readings for such). Frankly, it seems like a
>grammatical error, though I am open to correction in this. What is their
>antecedent?
>3.) In your line #5 it should be "genuine suffering" not "passion for
>truth."
>
>Just a few thoughts.
Hi Eric,
Thanks so much for your thoughts. They are much appreciated, as is your time
in replying to my little effort.
I have to agree with your point #3: the adjective ALHQINWi modifies the noun
PAQEI, so "into true suffering" is probably correct. When I get deeper into
the epistle, I may modify "suffering" to "passion," though it is never used
in a positive sense in the GNT (as far as I know, yet). "Suffering" is the
safer bet.
On your point #1, I can't quite agree. It seems to me that, while Ignatius
must indeed have intended all between THi PROWRISMENHi and TOU QEOU hHMWN to
apply to the Ephesians, he certainly did not mean it to apply only to them.
While this may be deemed a matter of interpretation (so, out of bounds),
still my point goes to word order. I am not comfortable with changing word
order quite as freely (if I may say so) as you clearly have.
Your point #2 may be a product of the rearrangement I have already
mentioned. I will take some time to examine it, con su permision.
Finally, I am actually tickled by your use of "heartiest" here. It certainly
carries a similar weight as Ignatius must have meant it to, but I am not
convinced that its connotations are much the same as those of PLEISTA.
Thanks again,
Richard Allan Stauch
Long Beach, CA
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