From: Rev. Bryant J. Williams III (bjwvmw@com-pair.net)
Date: Wed Aug 22 2001 - 04:30:47 EDT
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear John:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The previous verse has Esau as the subject of
comparison with one who is a profane person (BEBHLOS). The "GAR" at the
beginning of verse 17 and following METANOIAS are explanatory and causal
(although I could see how the latter GAR is also explanatory). Furthermore,
the context is referring back to the Genesis 26:29-34 and 27:30-40 incidents
where in 27:34 & 38, Esau, who was truly "a profane person," "cried
with a great and exceeding bitter cry...lifted up his voice and wept." The
NIV is misleading here, because Heb 12:17b is translating EUREN to mean, "to
bring about." 12:17b should be translated as "for (because?) a change of
attitude (METANOIAS) was no place found." The verse is stating that
"no change of attitude could be found in Esau." It is not stating that Esau
"could bring about a change of mind" as if Esau had been wanting to
repent. Esau is being searched for 'any' sign of repentance (change of
mind/attitude) by the Lord, and <STRONG>'none' </STRONG>was found. What an
indictment against Esau. The Christian, who is to seek peace and holiness, is to
continually take care of the grace of God.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>En Xpistw,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rev Bryant J. Williams III</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jwaldrip@baptists.org href="mailto:jwaldrip@baptists.org">Dr. John S.
Waldrip</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu
href="mailto:b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu">Biblical Greek</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [b-greek] Isaac or Esau?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">In Hebrews 12.17 is found the
phrase:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">METANOIAS GAR TOPON OUX EUREN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Question:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Do you think this refers to Esau or to
Isaac?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Why?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">John S. Waldrip</FONT></DIV>---<BR>B-Greek
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