From: Mark & Mary Markham (markhamm@topsurf.com)
Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 - 00:47:06 EDT
C. Smith wrote:
Inspired Version: ?
But in regards to the translations-- isn't male an equilivent as opposed to
the lit. I don't see a problem with most translations here? I am currious
as to what is the concern or why the question.
Mark
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From: Cindy Smith <cms@dragon.com>
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Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: A Liquid Excretion Product
>Not to be impolite: I'm curious about the KJV's use of the term
>"piss" or "pisseth against the wall" in the following passages (I
>can't transliterate the Hebrew but can give the Septuagint):
>
>1 Samuel 25:22 TADE POIHSAI hO THEOS TW DAVID KAI TADE PROS EIA EI
>hUPOLEIPSOMAI EK PANTWN TWN TOU NABAL hEWS PRWI OUROUNTA PROS TOIXON.
>
>Vulgate: haec faciat Deus inimicis David et hae addat si reliquero de
>omnibus quae ad eum pertinent usque mane mingentem ad parietem.
>
>NRSV: God so so to David and more also, if by morning I leave so much
>as one male of all who belong to him.
>
>NABWRNT: May God do thus and so to David, if by morning I leave a
>single male alive maong all those who belong to him.
>
>NJB: May God bring unnameable ills on David and worse ones, too, if
>by morning I leave a single manjack alive of all who belong to him!
>
>NIV: May God deal with David, be it ever so severely, if by morning I
>leave alive one male of all who belong to him!
>
>Inspired Version: So and more also do God unto the enemies of David,
>if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that
>pisseth against the wall.
>
>NKJV: May God do so, and more also, to the enemies of David, if I
>leave one male of all who belong to him by morning light.
>
>ASV: God do so unto the enemies of David, and more also, if I leave
>of all that pertain to him by the morning light so much as one
>man-child.
>
>How do you translate shathan and qiyr?
>
>Cf. 1 Samuel 25:22
> 1 Samuel 25:34
> 1 Kings 14:10
> 1 Kings 16:11
> 1 Kings 21:21
> 2 Kings 9:8
>
>Also cp.:
>
> 2 Kings 18:27 FAGEIN THN KOPRON AUTWN KAI PIEIN TO OURON
> AUTWN METH' hUMWN hAMA
>
> that they may eat their own dung, and drink
> their own piss with you?
>
> Isaiah 36:12 FAGWSIN KOPRON KAI PIWSIN OURON MEQ' hUMWN hAMA
>
> that they may eat their own dung, and drink
> their own piss with you?
>
>
>
>
>Cindy Smith
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